We are way past the debate on how moral it is to close an office and leave people bacaly on the street, but how is it even legal? As far as I know, in Europe this couldn't be done it this manner. Have we really suk that low as a society that there is no legal protection for labour?
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sociopath -
a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience
May describe a person that comes here to laugh at other people....go back to HR and laugh...or Darius or Tami ....get a life at write more Glassdoor fake reviews.
I left for a much bigger paycheck and a company that actually values me.
Another great benefit, my manager isn't a sociopath.
I only come here (the layoff) to laugh and shake my head at people.
1nbe - good for you. If you think that a company does not owe you anything but a paycheck....then why did you leave? You said you did not care for how they treated you/people???? Are you entitled to that ???? Perhaps you have an entitlement attitude too....That IS the problem with Honeywell now. They say they are ethical and abide by all rules and treat people with resepect....but they do not. I left too....and I worked the best I could until the day I left....because they payed me and I cared for the people I worked with (not my managers though. Since I had 5 in the last 2 years I was there.) BTW, you could be Einstein, and they will let you leave...and replace you with someone in a low cost region....this is the goal of this company...they can't grow, so they control costs...leaving IS what they want all US employees to do. I do not blame the people in the low cost regions either....they are only trying to provide for their families...just sad how all better paying jobs are going bye bye locally. Look at glassdoor...half of the good reviews are from other countries.
No corporate shrill here or HR.
I didn't like the way Honeywell treated people, I found another job and left. I now make quite a bit more $$$, better benefits and work with awesome people. Honeywell gets away with treating people like they do because of people like you, you cry and moan but don't have the actual cajones to walk away, if you're so valuable they'll make you an offer to stay. If enough people leave then that will actually effect the business and they'll be forced to make changes in order to retain people and continue to be in business. My guess though is your entitlement attitude shows through when you do try to get a job elsewhere an no one will hire you.
Hey Mr. Contract guru, if a contract was violated, show the contract, where it was violated, and when a court upheld your claim. Until then feel free to continue exposing yourself as just another loud-mouthed, know-nothing. And by the way, what sensible, hard working person would proudly claim to be a regular on a layoff site? Beyond pathetic.
Individuals need not walk away anywhere. This is our HOME. THis is OUR LAND, our territory and we live among our PEOPLE. We have laws and our WAY of LIFE!
You as a corporation can walk away with your crooks to some other island. If you are here in USA, you shall obey the laws of the USA and honor the people of the USA. People come first. We need to UNITE because behind our backs, these corporate monkeys and gorillas are united against us.
There are folks here trying to steer the discussion into a political discussion. These are HR hens and some paid-managers, whose sole purpose in life is to sow lies and discord among the populace and distract us. Stay clear of these folks who are trying to pull the issue into a political issue.
Contract is contract. Honor the contract and abide by the terms. US intellectual property belongs to the people of the USA and not to the Global populace. It is not to be shared with India, China etc.
40 hours mean 40 hours. It is not 40.5, 41, 44, 46 etc. Pay for 40 and share the profits in proper proportion as well without cheating and deceiving!
You wrote: "Individuals need to do it for themselves, free country, you don't like how you are being treated? You aren't a slave, walk away. You and only you are responsible for your decision to stay or go. It's your own fault if you haven't planned ahead enough and ensured that you don't have to tolerate being miserable. It's called personal responsibility."
Whoever wrote the above, is an HR shill or hen disguised as a regular over here. Their job is to play psychological games to prevent the unification and organizing of people, to assert their working condition and contractual terms.
If the business foresees a scope creep, then they require payment for it. However, if the engineer, labor, manager and technician, sees a scope creep (like 46 hours), then it is supposed to be accepted and complied with? (HYPO-CRITE-CROOKS)!!!
Down with these shills. Identity them, blacklist them and store their names. We need to know these people and they need to be shamed and we need to remove their social oxygen.
-1gza
No, you have found a capitalist.
And I have found a socialist/communist.
Despite any country's shortcomings, capitalism has provided more wealth and prosperity to its citizens than any other system. The USA has specifically been the best of the best, and right now, is rolling quite well. There are things that happen that I hate to see, like location closings, and pi$$-poor management, abusive leadership, etc., but that does not make a capitilist market "evil", nor capitalism a failure. I am no Blackbelt, nor a cheerleader. However, I did work hard, saved, invested, didn't whine when things were rotten, and when things became absolutely intolerable, arranged for a layoff and am happily early-retired. Go cry me a river. Or better yet, do like I did and quit through layoff and get another job at a better company. It's not hard to do now. Unless you wear your attitude on your sleeve, and you probably do. My guess is after years of work, you don't have $.02 to rub together, are very angry, and don't have the gumption to better yourself. You're the typical employee now, as many/most of the good ones have left.
I do feel quite bad for those trying to slug out a few more years, but with no pension growth, it may be better to move on to greener pastures. I can tell you that I am very glad to be gone.
Setting aside legality, has a site ever closed within three months of an announcement? Doesn't it take six months to a year? Exactly how much 'heads-up' ought to be required? As to the legality or the morality of the issue, the US has historically been a society of individual responsibility driving individual effort and individual rewards. Those values fostered the creation in a few hundred years of a country unrivaled in freedom and economic success. Then along came the entitlement mentality with its notion that individuals have a right to the fruits of other individuals' (or groups of individuals - e.g. corporations) efforts, and that confiscation of those fruits at the point of a gun or with the threat of prison was not only appropriate but moral. There is no sugar coating the entitlement mentality - the proponents of taking by force the fruits of others' efforts to satisfy their wants are the proponents of slavery. When a business owner OWES an employee a job, then the business owner is nothing more than a slave and the employee is nothing less than a slave owner. So here we are, the entitled, standing firm on the moral high ground of slavery, accusing the employers of being immoral.
Honeywell Political Action Committee pays off the law makers for this type of right sizing
We found the Trump/Republican cheerleader! Why don't you look at the statistics from 1970 to Now? I don't think your numbers will be that great. You must be a Black Belt, the way you cherry pick the numbers to support your cause (Wealth Re-distribution back to the UBER-WEATHLY) Seig HONEYWELL!
-pya
"The short of it is people are voting against the economic well being (MAGA)"?
By that, do you mean the following?
Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
Created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Under this Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
Or, do you mean something else?
Individuals need to do it for themselves, free country, you don't like how you are being treated? You aren't a slave, walk away. You and only you are responsible for your decision to stay or go. It's your own fault if you haven't planned ahead enough and ensured that you don't have to tolerate being miserable. It's called personal responsibility
What site?
Because people do not know how to unite and stand up for their rights, honor, agreements and their self-interests. However, the corporate investors know how to push the right pressure point to advance their self-interests through the CEO, VPs, Directors and Managers. The management is a puppet to the investor (middle-men). Their security is guaranteed by mowing down the individual contributors and tactical managers.
It's called Labor in this country (USA) and yes we have eliminated most protection for workers related to protection of job loss . Read "What's the Matter with Kansas" to understand. The short of it is people are voting against the economic well being (MAGA).