Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

White, female over 50 RIF'd last week after 4 years at O. Fortunately, I was 2 months into being vested when let go. Chronic problem at O with sales leaders overestimating sales projections, staffing up to hit those numbers, only to RIF those at the end of the year. Really chaotic, non-strategic environment. Chasing shiny objects as objectives on a weekly, directionless basis in cloud. Pathetic. I definitely have seen the majority of folks RIF'd as over 40/50 crowd. They figure they are paying too much and want to replace with young, inexperienced, cheaper labor.

What do you mean by "wrongful termination". Were you fired for cause? Or were you laid off?

I don't think you can really do anything about being laid off. Oracle can make up any reason for why that happened. They could say you were picked at random. There is nothing you can do about that.

For that reason, I suspect that they do lay off people the management wants to get rid of for other reasons, but they are not going to tell that person why. It would be dumb to give the guy laid off a reason that they can protest.

If you are fired, there could be a case you can do something about, like that woman who was fired because she wouldn't fudge the numbers in accounting.

1. If you feel you have been unlawfully targeted, please check the following as there could be a time limit (of 300 days)

https://www.eeoc.gov/employees/howtofile.cfm

(or you can go through the main portal of https://publicportal.eeoc.gov/Portal/Login.aspx)

1. If you feel this is a violation of equal pay, there is no time limit

https://www.eeoc.gov/employees/timeliness.cfm

Too often, employees feel that they have no channel to voice their concerns, especially when Oracle's HR works against them. HR conducts internal investigations just to document a proof that there is no discrimination or harassment ((just in case a lawsuit should happen) . Very few employees consider going to a lawyer or EEOC as they can't deal with those hassles, but know there are those options, and there are some employees that take that on.

One woman collected took years better with Dept of Labor suit or class action

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/18/oracle-women-workers-lawsuit-salaries-pay

"So you're saying all of us who believe we're underpaid can file a class action? get serious, that isn't reasonable and it's not discrimination to pay you whatever you're willing to accept. Harassment or discrimination - sure that's valid but underpayment? no way"

If there was systematic underpayment and underplacement by gender ethnicity or race you got a case and the Dept of Labor is on them for it now

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/oracle-lawsuit-discrimination-against-women-minorities

https://www.wired.com/story/feds-also-say-that-oracle-underpaid-women-and-minorities/

"Were you harra$$ed, underpaid, under-placed on hiring, discriminated against while employed...did you protest...then get rif'd? Might have grounds. Oracle is currently fighting pay a"

So you're saying all of us who believe we're underpaid can file a class action? get serious, that isn't reasonable and it's not discrimination to pay you whatever you're willing to accept. Harassment or discrimination - sure that's valid but underpayment? no way

If you believe there is an issue have your attorney go to the State Attorney General in your state and ask for the AG to initiate an investigation of oracle practices and conduct. State AGs collaborate across states so if they think it’s a valid case they will engage their buddies in other stated. That is by at the best way to go rather than you spending millions fighting oracle on your own. When you need to fight a big gorilla, get a big gorilla or two or three on your side first. Good luck!

Were you harra$$ed, underpaid, under-placed on hiring, discriminated against while employed...did you protest...then get rif'd? Might have grounds. Oracle is currently fighting pay and hiring bias suits by Labor Dept. Google it. See what law firms ate doing class action. Might get to join for no money upfront though they will take a cut of any settlement.

"Say you are a white employee and you have been selected to be laid off by your indian manager";

Even if this is the situation, it doesn't mean it's discrimination. You could be an under-performing nitwit and deserve to be rif'd regardless of your race.

Short answer is no - you will not be successful winning a lawsuit against Oracle - even if you have been riffed under a valid wrongful termination. They have too many lawyers in their back pocket and you don't.

Are you saying you're in a protected class and were rif'd? Or are you asking about the general rif's that are spread across all the businesses? If you're complaint is that you don't agree with being rif'd - I'd say you have no grounds (I'm not a lawyer but a unlucky survivor of many Oracle rif's) Oracle can lay off anyone they choose with really no valid reason other than the want to reduce costs by reducing headcount. Or they can say nothing and it's still protected by law. But if you're protected by a gender, age, disability situation - maybe you'd have a case but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Oracle has a boatload of lawyers and hr experts that ensure they have all the details covered when they rif you. They are experts in reducing headcount.

Unless you have solid and verifiable proof of discrimination or legal grounds that are considered under wrongful termination - not a snowball chance in hades that you will prevail in court. Rif's as a basis of cost savings or job elimination are not necessarily illegal. In the US, you're an at will employee which means you or Oracle can stop your employment with no reason other than you feel like it that particular day.

That Oracle chooses to pay you a severance is voluntary - they aren't required to by law and only do it to make you sign the waiver stating you won't try to sue them. Take the money and don't look back. Any job you get after Oracle should be considered a blessing.