Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Oracle OCI / OCI-C political fallout, Don Johnson officially won.

Waiting for the layoffs this Thursday (3/21). Knew it was coming eventually, but not this quick. I decided to ride it out because I'm lazy and I like getting paid to do jack. Already have interviews lined up with TC higher than what I was getting, so it's not a persona bummer for me.

Anyway, once TK left, it was over. Everyone here already knew this, but to those not in the know, Don Johnson's empire building is officially the only cloud game in Oracle town. Let's not mince words. He's ambitious and anything that threatens his Seattle Empire is going down. If you are in OCI-C, you're done for (no news there). If you are not in Seattle, prepare for a slow burn. Non Seattle people are getting the sh--ty and/or dying products.

Despite Oracle s---ing at cloud because of timing, pricing, lack of transparency, terrible marketing, no connection to the startup / developer community and just overall being hated by the average developer and customer, Don Johnson somehow convinced Safra that it was a pure technical problem that could be solved by handing over the keys to him. Whatever skills manipulative skills he possesses, I want that. He convinced Safra that paying tons of random 24-35 white brogrammer types, some of who are just waiting on the sidelines, $300K could make Oracle a cloud competitor. TK saw the stupidity of this and left.

It doesn't help that Larry, often times, just thinks that you can create a copycat product, slap the Oracle name, and customers will clamor for a sub-par product. Especially if a competitor is beating him (especially Microsoft). He wasted hundreds of millions on Beehive and Enterprise Manager and he's doing it now. Larry will not let a pet project die quickly.

For those applying to Oracle Cloud, unless it's Oracle OCI, in Seattle, don't bother. You will be eliminated. The likes of TK, who prefers sellable products and the Bay Area, are gone. If you are in Seattle OCI, I'd give it about another 3 years before Larry and Safra realize how they messed up and threw money after bad. Because, let's face it, Oracle will not compete in IaaS or PaaS. They will cannibalize their on-premises for SaaS and claim a cloud victory to please the analysts. That's it. If you want some resume building and easy money, fit the demographic stereotype that Don clamors for, and can handle the rain - absorb all the money you can and take that layoff package for riches.

Oracle will finally realize that even the most expensive lipstick in the world still makes a pig a pig. Seattleites , exploit this brief gold rush for as much as you can while training for your next job at Amazon. SF Bar Area folks, polish up those resumes and start applying now. The market is super hot.

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Having wasted two years of my life in OCI, the OP captured every aspect of this debacle perfectly from my perspective. The only thing I'd question is the 3 year lifespan - I expect that Oracle will do what they always do; they'll build some sort of licensing/marking "wrapper" around the whole mess, stuff in a feeding tube and oxygen mask and let it limp along forever.

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Post ID: @13vyj+Yaz1UVm

Given the corruption in oracle development, I think that creating a separate development organization from the ground up is the only way to recover. I think they are right to be extremely careful in hiring people from other areas of Oracle.

Seattle org is probably good for the company, may be bad for external employees who will eventually get replaced. But, corruption and incompetence is everywhere and there has to be some way to work around it.

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Post ID: @1akm+Yaz1UVm

For DJ anyone not in Seattle pretty much doesn’t exist. In today’s global world that simply doesn’t fly.

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Post ID: @1rgx+Yaz1UVm

Maybe this new DJ emperor in town should sometimes look at how his own creature is seen by the outside world.

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6507957144946503680

I particularly liked this comment from an Oracle-SAP analyst

"There is a fundamental reason why costs can't go down with Oracle....aside from Oracle always being the most expensive option in everything unless the other option is SAP -- and this is because Oracle has no real cloud. Everything must be set up manually by Oracle resources. There is no intelligence built into the Oracle Cloud. Therefore, Oracle lacks scale economies. Oracle is a company whose strategy is controlled by salespeople, which have a short term mindset. The idea in Oracle is you lie rather than investing. You look for opportunities to exploit labor. You have 25,000 sales cheezeballs running around babbling about things like the "automated database" without an understanding of what they are saying. If a company has not set up its cloud offering with any intelligence, as Oracle has not, they can never be a low-cost option. That is unless they subsidize this business from another area. This is what Microsoft is doing with Azure. Oracle could do this. They have 90%+ margins in their support, http://example.com/2MEPwaC, but Oracle is not doing this. "

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Post ID: @1ybn+Yaz1UVm

DJ won long ago...officially...he doesn't need to layoff anyone in OCIC to make a point!

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Post ID: @1plt+Yaz1UVm

Which product did TK make that is/was sellable? Beautiful slides over sub-par products. It took too long to fire him

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Post ID: @ryk+Yaz1UVm

What does that mean to developers? Does developer care what they are coding for? As long as they have something to do and get paychecks, they don't care if its OCI or OCIC or anything. I know tons of people not at Seattle doing OCI stuff. This post only applies to M5+ people maybe

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Post ID: @kwv+Yaz1UVm

and the blaring warning sign is when they start calling you 'classic.'

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Post ID: @jwx+Yaz1UVm

" I decided to ride it out because I'm lazy and I like getting paid to do jack..."

at least you're honest and reflective on your situation. Unfortunately most of the mooronitrons here thought/think they are indispensable and Oracle owes them something.

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