Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Oracle doesn't have enough customers to justify building data centers.

100% rented cages in colocation facilities from Cologix and Digital Realty.

Oracle cloud is far from competitive.

No economies of scale.

Too many middle-men looking for a margin.

Pure economics.

@2vca

If you think that Oracle product as absolute c-ap and Oracle can't give it away for free why do you want Oracle invest billions more into datacenters which, according to you, no one going to use ? Are you slow or have an extra chromosome ?

Or do you think that customers give a FF or even know where the servers are and that's why they don't want use Oracle cloud ?

AWS starts region with colocation and if it grows big enough to make it feasible to build their own datacenter then they do it. If not - they stay in colo.

That effin simple.

Head Accountant SC won't let MH spend that much money in infrastructure. But he doesn't care as he can just lie about it to customers.

@2doq you're definitely an Oracle employee. AWS might do that in small regions, but here's an article from 8 years ago about their datacentres. They've evolved a lot since then too.

https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2011/06/09/a-look-inside-amazons-data-centers

Again the global players see this stuff as a competitive advantage.

Here's your answer.

In the sources and references section, you can read what Oracle cloud customers say in their own words.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/problem-oracle-cloud-ahmed-azmi/

You mean you actually have to design, run, and own DCs to compete in cloud? Ouch, somebody should tell the 3 stooges to stop spending tens of billions on buying back shares and start spending them on building DCs to compete with the big boys.

"You can't do these kind of things if you're renting a cage in Equinix or Digital Realty."

Which was exactly what AWS was doing up to few years ago. If Oracle gets as big as AWS they'll probably start building their own DCs, who cares where servers are located ? Equinix is good enough for now.

Worth pointing out that most of the articles below are between 5-10 years old. The global cloud players have been doing this for years and see it as a competitive advantage. This is their older generation tech, have improved and expanded significantly since then.

Amazon, Google, and Microsoft each spent more on CAPEX in 2017 than Oracle has in its entire history.

Source: http://www.platformonomics.com/2018/05/follow-the-capex-separating-the-clowns-from-the-clouds/

@2uoi...

Actually most large cloud providers do own their own facilities which are custom built and designed for cloud services, and are much more advanced than most colo providers who are providing a generic product for a wide range of customers.

• They do build their own buildings - https://www.computerworld.com/article/3136160/take-a-look-inside-microsofts-quincy-wash-data-center.html

• They do lay their own undersea cables. Google holds partial ownership of 8.5% of submarine cables worldwide. https://broadbandnow.com/report/google-content-providers-submarine-cable-ownership/

• They do their own electricity - https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2015/06/a-power-plant-for-internet-our-newest.html

• They find creative ways to avoid air conditioning so more power goes into compute rather than cooling - https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/09/24/microsofts-chiller-less-data-center

You can't do these kind of things if you're renting a cage in Equinix or Digital Realty.

@-hwg

Your attempts to insult Oracle saying that they lease infrastructure are pathetic. Do you expect Oracle build their own buildings, lay own undersea and underground cables, generate own electricity, build own AC units ?

Colo providers know their job and used by thousands of customers, including AWS for smaller regions, but that fine with you, you only start twisting your undies when Oracle doing the same ?

With the exception of Google (and to a degree Microsoft) none of the other cloud providers including AWS own data centres, they rent space with co-location providers. By using different colocation provider for each zone they reduce the risk an outage affecting other zones.

Not that I'd personally put my data in a rented Oracle branded DC, but does it create more risk to have multiple providers or wouldn't Oracle alone be open to data breaches as well?

Does anyone know how these vendors are chosen? Is it just the OPN partners that get to handle the cloud data and security? I assume that even Oracle would have some strict SLA's for anyone to manage these data centers? Why don't they disclose this information?

If you read the Oracle articles you think Oracle owns its own data center.. Thats not the case Oracle rents data centers, its does not build its own:

Here is the Oracle press release that makes you think Oracle built a data cetner in Toronoto.

https://www.oracle.com/corporate/pressrelease/oracle-next-gen-data-center-canada-011719.html

Oracle today announced the opening of a Toronto data center to support in region customer demand for Oracle’s public cloud, Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. Oracle’s next-generation cloud infrastructure offers the most flexibility in the public cloud, allowing companies to run traditional and cloud-native workloads on the same platform. With Oracle’s modern cloud regions, only Oracle can deliver the industry’s broadest, deepest, and fastest growing suite of cloud applications, Oracle Autonomous Database, and new services in security, Blockchain and Artificial Intelligence, all running on its enterprise-grade cloud infrastructure.

Nope:

https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/oracle-opens-next-generation-oracle-cloud-infrastructure-data-centre-in-toronto/414261

**Update: Oracle and Cologix have confirmed that Oracle Cloud Infrastructure is now available through Cologix’s Toronto data center.

https://www.cologix.com/company/news/cologix-press-releases/cologix-enables-dedicated-access-to-oracle-cloud-infrastructure-in-canada/

DENVER – January 17, 2019 — Cologix, a network and cloud-neutral interconnection and data-center company, and Gold level member of Oracle PartnerNetwork (OPN), today announced the immediate availability of dedicated and private access to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure through Cologix’s Toronto performance, low predictable pricing and flexible solution.(TOR1) data center. This news supports Oracle’s recent announcement of the availability of Oracle Cloud Infrastructure from its new Toronto data center. The Direct to Oracle FastConnect on-ramp to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure enriches Cologix’s already robust cloud eco-system and enables enterprises a high-performance, low predictable pricing and flexible solution.

So is fast Connect an Oracle Product? Nope its a bunch of providers you can pick from to certain data centers.

https://cloud.oracle.com/en_US/fastconnect/providers

So what does Oracle provide? The Oracle cloud software in a rented data center, with a hodgepodge of network providers. Wow! Oracle is really going to kick some heavy weight cloud butt with this rented cobbled together cloud strategy that offers broken cloud software in someone else's data center. Forget AWS, Axure or GCP, I want to bet my business on that!

Any questions on why TK jumped ship and went to google?

Oracle tried to give my company a reference account for cloud and the tech people told us it was down most of the time, didn't meet the base sla's and they couldn't ever reach the support people. They were running the on premise app in parallel - which worked fine but still couldn't get anyone from support to call them back. What a joke, they can't even provide a real reference for cloud. Turns out the CIO of our company is a friend of MH...how's that for a reference??