Microsoft, Oracle team up on cloud services in jab at Amazon

https://www.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-oracle-team-cloud-services-121044218.htm

(Reuters) - Microsoft Corp and Oracle Corp on Wednesday said they reached an agreement to make their two cloud computing services work together with high-speed links between their data centers, targeting big business users and uniting against cloud computing leader Amazon.com's Amazon Web Services.

The two companies said the high-speed link between their data centers would start with facilities in the eastern United States and spread to other regions. They will also work together to let joint users log into to services from either company with a single user name and get tech support from either company.

The move comes as both Oracle and Microsoft are courting large businesses and government customers considering moving computing tasks currently handled in their own data centers to cloud providers.

“With Oracle’s enterprise expertise, this alliance is a natural choice for us as we help our joint customers accelerate the migration of enterprise applications and databases to the public cloud," Microsoft's cloud chief Scott Guthrie said in a statement.

AWS, the largest cloud computing provider, is encroaching on many of those customers, including in Oracle's historical stronghold in the database market.

"With this alliance, our joint customers can migrate their entire set of existing applications to the cloud without having to re-architect anything, preserving the large investments they have already made," Don Johnson, executive vice president of Oracle's cloud infrastructure unit, said in a statement.

Microsoft has previously inked a deal with German software maker SAP SE and Adobe Inc to make their services work better together.

Ed Anderson, an analyst with research firm Gartner, said the move was a clear "jab" at AWS, especially for Oracle. "It's no secret that Oracle views AWS as a major competitor in the database market," he said.

Anderson also said there remained some unanswered questions about the deal, such as whether customers would face data transfer fees for moving large amounts of information back and forth between services.

But overall, Anderson said the move would likely benefit the companies by helping their pitch to large businesses already using services from both.

“It’s a great way for both companies to be able to hitch their cloud offerings together,” Anderson said.

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The impact of this is that all customers are looking beyond Oracles objective in creating this partnership and asking: “does this mean we can run all workloads, supported, on Azure - in particular EBS”? Which happens to be exactly what they want! This will see all international customers starting rethinking their strategy on Oracle IaaS, PaaS and pivot back to Azure.

There is nothing significant in this announcement. Customers today can already have high speed links between Azure and Oracle Cloud using partners like Equinix. The identity integration thing is just a press release. This is PR, pure and simple - probably to take the sting out what what will likely be bad Q4 numbers. It still costs double to run an Oracle product on Azure vs. on premise due to Oracle's licensing policies.

It's not going to work as advertised. MS will eventually dispose of Oracle. Oracle needs them, they don't need Oracle.

MS and Oracle coming together is like MS buying Nokia to Compete with Apple and Samsung.

MS should buy Oracle db and can the rest of Oracle.

Is there a potential for a merger or acquisition between the two?

This explains why "Cloud Platform" reps are no longer selling OCI and are instead on-premises licencing reps, with a team of Autonomous Cloud Reps to focus on ADW/ATP.

sh-- that's why many friends in OCI been shown the door... thank you DoomJon

This is the end of OCI like it is today (not that it has ever born btw), the model seems pretty clear: run (Autonomous) Oracle DB on OCI (and maybe a small set of Oracle SaaS apps), and everything else on Azure (and more clouds to come....).

The agreement also include the BYOL option for Oracle customers moving to Azure (!!!!)

Basically we are saying to the world that we gave up competing with AWS and the like, and just concentrate on a DB cloud giving DB services to other clouds.

In the long term, a good news, since ths is actually the only thing Oracle could do given all the madness done in the past.

In the short/mid term, not a good news, since this simply means more layoffs to come.

From a technological point of view, a great bet. Running the logic in a DC and the DB in other DC implies a carefully studied interconnect in terms of latency.

One of the news stories I read on this says that the plan is for support people from both companies will be interchangeable. IOW, you can get support for this.....oci 3 or whatever....from either ORCL or MSFT.

How the heck would that work, when you can’t get a callback or even an update on SRs from O now?

In my experience, as a former Azure Solution Architect, Azure is usually more "halls" rather than "cages". But that's nitpicking, I agree with your point re same buildings.

What about latency? How many ORCL and MSFT data centers are actually close enough for this to matter?

Ex-Oracle field engineer, now working for MS (left on my own earlier this year). In my local area, I could connect the 2 clouds together with a 50' ethernet cable. Working in basically the same role as before for my new employer I go to the same buildings as I did before, just working in the cage next to the one I used to work in.

Who would build a entire cloud infrastructure in OCI (even if you are an existing Oracle shop and like the products) when you can now use Azure for 90% of the infrastructure?

OCI is dead. It will take a while for Oracle to k--l it off. Bet this was in the works before March. Could it be this is the reason OCI people were laid off in March?

Expect more layoffs...

What about latency? How many ORCL and MSFT data centers are actually close enough for this to matter?

Just in case you've missed:

Google & Intel Partner On Hybrid Cloud

https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-google-cloud-announce-strategic-partnership-accelerate-hybrid-cloud/

No office 365 for you - the 3 stooges are way to cheap for that. Why make you more productive when they can pocket the money themselves !

Hopefully we can now also swallow our pride and get rid of Beehive, and move to a real collaboration platform like Office 365.

OCI Gen 3 is actually Azure. Brilliant.

Now OCI gets rebranded to OCI-Pro-Classic

Retrenching to be a DB only supplier to other people’s SaaS apps running on Azure and soon AWS. Necessary but weak. Going to hell in a hand basket

LE is desperate, huh...

wow

Will this lead to more reorgs/layoffs in OCI?

My guess is TK was always more aligned with Google than MS but given the lawsuits, LE would only partner with MS and DJ was the perfect person to execute this strategy. Its one of the better decisions they've made in recent memory which isn't saying much.

Kurian was championing running oracle apps and platform on all other clouds. This is a bit different, but the spirit may be tilting in that direction.

If this is so great can you explain why I should put anything but Oracle RDBMS in the Oracle cloud? I can have all my app and web tier running in Azure (a far more established could) and simply access the DB in the Oracle cloud.

At best I might be more tempted to move an on-prem DB to the cloud but who is going to put anything thing else in OCI?

This announcement clips the wings of OCI, it now simply provides a database service to Azure.

Who would build a entire cloud infrastructure in OCI (even if you are an existing Oracle shop and like the products) when you can now use Azure for 90% of the infrastructure?

Oracle RDBMS as a service is a good thing but it would seem to be a move to Oracle simply offering a handful of SAAS solutions (ERP and RDBMS) that are accessed via the internet. That's not necessarily a poor roadmap for Oracle but does seem to be a retreat from offering a full public cloud to compete with Microsoft or Amazon.

I wonder if the management are pragmatic enough to do a similar deal with Amazon.

So when Oracle Cloud is really Microsoft except maybe for the autonomous database, will DJ be fired or will DJ be the next named CTO of Oracle, with LE becoming the named "visionary" or such?

History flashback to when the world was young

https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/memory-storage/8/265/1120

LOL. Good news; great synergy/partnership.

And yet the laid-off has-beens still finding 'doom n gloom' in it.

So, my tinfoil hat brigade, what's the new end date for Oracle now?

"How long before the Oracle RDBMS becomes a service offered on Azure and OCI is k--led off?"

There are rumours about this.

Two companies, each with a huge population of already captive legacy customers teaming up to raid, cross sell, etc. One lead by a man not afraid to look into the abyss and make those tough decisions. The other lead by Uncle Larry, who has been behind the curve since 2009.

Isn't this basically what Kurian was championing?

Desperate times call for desperate strategies - 2 years from now all that will be left of Oracle is a cloud DB service supporting apps running o. MSFT Azure, AWS, and Google.Everything else will be gone.

How long before the Oracle RDBMS becomes a service offered on Azure and OCI is k--led off?

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