Thread regarding Bank of New York Mellon Corp. layoffs

QUOTAS!

BNY calls it “guidance” but there is a QUOTA for “below expectations and unsatisfactory”.

We are REQUIRED to have a specific rating distribution for each performance cycle.

If years of layoffs have let go of the actual underperformers, there is no one left that is truly BE, especially considering the burden and stress we all now have.

But BNY’s diabolical mandate for “continuous improvement” raises the bar despite inreased workload and stress: the quota of BEs must now come from the people that would have otherwise been “achieves”.

No doubt there are still good people getting great ratings, but there are also good people getting BE because... that’s just what BNY requires these days.

Why? Always... follow they money. BEs, tell us if you still get raises and bonuses, and if you can post out of your position, or are you just stuck there? And do BEs get “packages” when let go? Let us know!

This is the sort of company we work for. Let that sink in, no matter what your rating. And if you are ever let go or can quit, just think: good riddance to a really awful employer.

If you can get a better job, jump at it. And if you are thinking about working at BNY: we told you so!

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Post ID: @OP+ZrV8uZj

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I was rated BE mid 2018 (after being rated higher for the prior 12 years) which put me in a tailspin. I wrote a lengthy rebuttal to my review. Reaction from my manager was to say that i should put that much effort into my “real work” as I did on my rebuttal.” There was no further consideration given to the false accusations in the review. I knew I was being set up. Horrible way to treat people.

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Post ID: @6ybh+ZrV8uZj

I am a manager. I am routinely forced to rate people as BE. I am routinely forced to change my comments to be more negative. It’s not a good company to work for.

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Post ID: @5nes+ZrV8uZj

In regards to posting this topic on MySource and how it would have no consequences to the first poster:

I personally don't believe that would make the person untouchable. Some of the outspoken in the WFH thread are indeed gone.

That being said, I would not want management to second guess when my name finally makes the list.

I'm ready to go and do not want to be a hinderance to my salvation.

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Post ID: @4snx+ZrV8uZj

Was told if I don’t give a name for BE then I was volunteering my name for the list. Last year a name was suggested & it took a lot of imagination to justify it in writing for the review - any other time they would’ve gotten a ME. This MUST violate HR procedures and ethics - it’s BS that we’ve got to come up with another 10% this year! Can’t they be sued or fined for this???

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Post ID: @3vrw+ZrV8uZj

I had an interview for an M1 management position about a month ago. The job was in operations. The interviewer (who was very nice), told me that after two below expectations they are supposed to fire the employee. I don't know if they meant displace or not, but that's precisely what was said to me. Sounded like their going to play hot potato with BE. The whole process is a complete joke.

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Post ID: @2uus+ZrV8uZj

Indeed just one person of 50,000 is required to question the PMP rating via MySource. Hundreds will follow. Who is taking the first step. There will be no consequences as nobody would dare to touch this person as it happens in plain sight.

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Post ID: @2svg+ZrV8uZj

It would be required to put this discussion on MSS. The same way like it happened for WFH.

And it would start a discussion and create pressure on this disgusting practice.

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Post ID: @2cdh+ZrV8uZj

To the manager, I'm glad you're gone but wish you weren't. We need more like you. All the best to you.

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Post ID: @1gxd+ZrV8uZj

I was a unit manager, and yes, forced ranking of my team helped to reinforce my decision to leave the company. As soon as my management team informed us of this new forced ranking system, my heart completely sank and I just couldn't believe it. Everyone else seemed to shrug it off but I couldn't sleep with myself at night. I'm glad I got the hell out of that diseased company, and also, the financial industry as well. My new employer has no such forced ranking system and they were appalled when I told them about it in passing. Employees performance reviews should be based solely on an employee's own performance. Their rankings should not be based on a quota system where they need to tick a checkbox to justify layoffs. I worked in operations, and when the layoffs increased in frequency in 2014, they were letting go those who were known underperformers. And now, all of a sudden, even high performers are being let go. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Good luck to all of you who are still stuck in the trenches. My heart truly goes out to all of you, whether you're a manager or an individual contributor, I absolutely feel your pain. My physical and mental health has improved greatly since I parted ways with BNY.

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Post ID: @1zut+ZrV8uZj

I was a B/E and still received subpayment through the end of this year. Subpayment includes 100% salary and benefits plus unemployment which is 26 weeks of about 2/3 your salary. Also I am now able to cut day care by 40% since I am now home and I can do “under the table jobs”-which I have passion for which provides additional supplemental income. Who has the last laugh now.... This will be the best summer ever!

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Post ID: @1ovx+ZrV8uZj

I was rated BE for all of last year. I have told my manager, if its same rating at mid-year, I will not be here. I cant make it any clearer to him.

Its affecting my mental health. I want to work with people that build me up, not tear me down.

I have my stash ready to deploy, from mid-July.

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Post ID: @1ynp+ZrV8uZj

My last review was a M/E, same as last year, M/E and before that several years of Exceeds. My bonus was cut more than half. Still waiting for a justification for the pay cut. Hopefully you too don't have a insecure, boot licking manager that manages up only. If so, polish that resume now and jump before you are kicked.

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Post ID: @1wvs+ZrV8uZj

The below expectations folks in my department were not and have not been displaced as of May. The only displacements were those who received achieved.

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Post ID: @1eqr+ZrV8uZj

My review was fine, it was not BE and I am under 50. I was told my position was being eliminated. How is that possible when the work load is there, and now being dumped on the few that are left. It's all BS, does not matter what rating you get, but believe what you want. I'm glad i am out of there, new chapter begins.

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Post ID: @1jck+ZrV8uZj

We had a manager who was told he had to pick one more 'BE' person, and he refused. He was laid off.

If you notice, they didn't publish any numbers from the last employee survey. I'm sure they got the worst numbers in the history of the company, and this ranking system is part of it.

There are no BE people left in our area. BE ratings are based not on our work, but on one of the other BS categories on the annual review. It's an insult and a cowardly way to fire people. I have zero respect for the leadership of this company.

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Post ID: @1gdd+ZrV8uZj

Why go after Bny, go after State laws, that allow multi nationals to do this. In NY, we have the lowest unemployment payments and the most corp friendly worker laws for a blue state.

Change the law so they have prove why they fired you.

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Post ID: @gud+ZrV8uZj

Some questions for managers about BE:

  • Has any manager been required to fabricate a bad review?

  • Has any manager sought HR or private legal advice if asked to fabricate a bad review?

  • Has any manager’s good review been altered by someone else?

  • Has any manager been “transparent” about the situation when giving the BE to the employee, and did that manager suffer repercussions?

  • Has any manager left the company due in part to this policy?

Managers, let’s hear from you!

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