Thread regarding Macy's Inc. layoffs

Can Macys be saved?

It would appear that there is an acute attention focusing on the .com sector from Macys leadership.

But is it to late for a game change?

The answer lies in a few deciding factors:

1- Is Macys willing to go for broke into the .com sector? Unfortunately for Macys to compete with it's sector peers that are light year ahead of the .com market in earnings and execution they would have to not only just " 1- up" the technology which we all think they do a pretty good job at that piece. But they will need more buildings, more people, more marketing surrounding the e-commerce experience which means they would have to plan and execute a massive portion of capital as in (60%-68%) into multiple $300m+ sites (as in at the least 26) such as the ones in Goodyear - AZ , Tulsa - OK, Portland - TN, and West Virginia. But also re-vamp store locations modifying them with conveyors and sortation units to make the stores also capable of direct ship to consumers from stores as well.

Hindsight being that all of Macys competitors are investing huge quantities of capital into their own e-commerce experience. 80% of them are lacking in technology and are not utilizing stand alone D2C buildings to direct ship to consumers but rather installing primitive technology and clunky business practices in stores alone to meet consumer demand.

(THATS where Macys has them beat) However the competition has been doing the e-commerce for far longer than Macys so currently they have the edge even with substandard equipment and business model. Merely because they have been doing it longer and because they have more ( A LOT MORE ) locations than Macy's. As well as shipping internationally vs. solely U.S.

2- Leadership has to understand that letting go of key stakeholders directly related of the e-commerce omni channel ( Can NOT Happen) such as R.B. Harrison, Scott Prieto, Systems teams and IT teams along with so many building level executives that surged the buildings forward and brain child the concepts and executions of the D2C's to begin with.

Letting go of these people or letting them leave is a massive mistake. They have irreplaceable value in building the buildings, systems and infrastructure that makes the Omni-channel so successful to begin with. Its kind of like having a 8 time super-bowl championship team in their prime (go PATS) and either trading them or letting them leave - And still hoping to make the super bowl again when 80% of your (A BALL PLAYERS) are missing.

Sure they can pay huge dollars to get brilliant minds in to replace them. But there will be a learning curve of epic proportion as in Decades worth of trial and error to re- live all over again.

3- And finally, Leadership at all levels can only succeed if their teams reporting to them above and below all have trust, integrity with the same values and respect for one another. And that only comes through (TRUE ENGAGMENT) Not paper engagement. But real transparent open and honest dialog that starts with (WHERE THE COMPANY IS AT FINANCIALLY) and (TRUSTING YOUR TEAM) to do the right thing,

Give Ownership of individual departments and objectives to even the lowest paygrade and give them the opportunity to develop, idealize and have valid input into decision making processes at a department level.

What if Macys rank structure looked more like This:

(CEO - Pres - VP - and everyone else was just a Macys employee- Take away the idea of a TITLE and Power that comes with that. Because people may respect the Title or position but at the sometime have absolutely no respect for the person filling that position.

So I say everyone is simply a MACY's Associate and no person is any better than any other person no matter what your pay structure looks like. That means if an area manager see's a water spill on the floor. Don't just "CALL SOME BODY" Take a Second - Go get a mop or rag and clean it up...!

If someone calls out sick - The Other MACY's associates will fill their position (No Mater Pay Grade)

If Macys was to utilize this methodology They not only would increase their revenues, increase stock performance but at the same time earn trust and true engagement from all of their employee's which would in turn reduce turnover and increase productivity because everyone would be truly happy with their place of business.

Its a Big Pill to swallow - But 100's of World companies have done it in Japan, Germany, France, Sweden, Mexico, Canada and even the U.S. and they went from rags to riches. and to be employed by one of them is a life time employment. None of their employees can be fired for any reason instead the harbor a culture of example, training and coaching to afford all of their employee's the same opportunities of success as even the CEO's of the companies.

Best of Luck BIG (M) - Perhaps they will listen.

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Yeah, online sales are critical to every retailer if they are going to be successful in both the short term and long term. Macy's has got to figure out how to improve their order service. Amazon, Wal-Mart, and even Target have figured it out, but orders from Macy's continue to get screwed up and take way longer to get to customers. Check out the Better Business Bureau website, Macy's has 3000 complaints and it seems like most of them are about order foul ups and how long it takes a customer to get an order. I understand they have their own in-house executives running order fulfillment, they should look into hiring someone who knows what they are doing from Amazon. No wonder the stock price is where it is.

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Post ID: @izff+ZwuIvKe

Focusing on .COM business only makes sense, it is where the sales growth is coming from (it's not coming from Backstage, Neighborhood, G50, G100, or G150 programs, it's coming from .COM orders). One of the reasons to keep as many stores open as possible, is so customers have options AND they like being able to return merchandise they purchase online as their local store. When the company closes a store, .COM orders fall significantly in the market area.

The company got out of the .COM gates early and has a huge web presence. The decision to leverage store locations for fulfillment was the key to reducing needed expansion and investment in fulfillment centers and helps the company to turn slower moving merchandise in stores. The biggest challenge facing the company today is related to the poor decision leadership made when it decided to stop giving stores sales credit for picking and shipping .COM orders. If you are a store manager, why in the world would you have your teams work at filling orders that your store gets no credit for? Shipping merchandise out of your store hurts sales and means your team has less time for taking care of your customers, opening new accounts, presales, and other key activities that are all more important than filling online orders.

It's not just store managers, field executives at every level are only worried about driving in store sales, no one gives a darn about the single digit fill rate and speed to ship ratings on the scorecard. It's the rating related to driving in-store sales that everyone cares about. Take a look at what happened last holiday season, the company had to give gift cards and apologies to thousands of customers because online orders were no longer a priority. This happened at the same time Amazon increased their minimum wage and was still managed to get orders to customers within 48 hours.

If Macy's fails, it's because it can't keep up with the growth and competitive service expectations related to online orders due to a lack of vision by senior leaders. If you want store teams to care about filling orders, then make it important to the field business leaders. Last time anyone checked, .COM business is where the growth and future is, so how about someone pull their heads out and realize they made a mistake and go back to giving stores credit for the sales they do all of the work to fill?

Without a compelling reason for everyone to work towards the same goal, all of the extra fulfillment hours, leads, and other holiday programs won't make a bit of difference when we can't even fill the holiday jobs. As we continue to expand programs that reduce staffing across the company, believing that additional staffing dedicated just to fulfillment programs won't be utilized to support driving in-store sales, is just unrealistic as most field business leaders know how to use a calculator and understand that 45% is greater than 10%.

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Post ID: @bptg+ZwuIvKe

Where I could see some savings is getting out of San Fransisco. There are already offices in Ohio, Georgia and NY.

SF made sense when .com launched and to build from nothing but now it is maintenance and enhancements. The talent needed for that can be found anywhere, and more and more is going off shore anyways. Add to that the way the city is squeezing everything it can out of it’s tech businesses and the cost of living, etc... I’d like to know when the lease on that building is up because I’d bet money Macy’s downsizes there if not move completely.

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Post ID: @bdkh+ZwuIvKe

I hope not

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Post ID: @9nzj+ZwuIvKe

I agree with that prediction. Large metropolitan cities will have destination/experience Macy’s. Dense population areas that still have strong malls will also have Macy’s.

Malls as a concept aren’t completely dead, they are just consolidating. No more multiple malls in a medium sized city.

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Post ID: @8mda+ZwuIvKe

Macy’s the iconic name will survive through online and fullline stores, the big stores.

They will survive by closing the majority of the smaller stores, than selling the real estate as they have been doing. Their physical footprint will be dramatically smaller and will pump money into the remaining larger stores which will be scattered throughout larger metropolitan areas. The emphasis in the larger stores will be an experience as remaining stores will be limited. Also they will obviously

pump money into online. Basically the Macy’s name will live on but there will be thousands of employees laid off so Macy’s can save itself. That’s my prediction......

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Post ID: @4xwh+ZwuIvKe

Wow that escalated quickly. LOL but I won’t feed the troll. I have however enjoyed the conversation mixed with a bit of venting a other perspectives on the state of the company.

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Post ID: @4arp+ZwuIvKe

Reply to poster, "Hello Donkies", I OWN QUITE A BIT OF STOCK IN THIS COMPANY AND I WILL POST EXACTLY WHAT I THINK ABOUT THIS COMPANY AND THE WAY IT IS RUN. I do not need to work, I have invested my money well, with the exception of buying into this retailer, which can be taken care of by selling off. I shall wait until the current CEO and President are fired. I will see what the new management can do to turn this ship around.

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Post ID: @4itr+ZwuIvKe

People write on here like they are the owner. U work there.....they dont care what you think....now get back to work...

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Post ID: @4ozp+ZwuIvKe

HD failure now at Macy's = Hal Lawton. He totally screwed them up. Jeff should have done his homework before hiring that guy. I know, I had to clean up his mess.

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Post ID: @3cjy+ZwuIvKe

I have not been around long enough to have enough insight for a good opinion on NCR but it is a cost benefit analysis. Do the savings justify the cost. The problem is I don’t see a lot of people factoring the true cost of things, they focus on the easily identified savings. Used to pay x now pay x. But if the service is slower and worse, how many times are there call backs for the same issue, is there financial incentive to not fix it the first time. Do quality employees leave because of the impact, etc.

I will say our legal departments gets close to the line with layoffs and reorgs. Always staying below the limit that would trigger certain notification requirements amongst other things. I’m disappointed in the amount of outsourcing and continued push for more but I do see the recent changes in certain visa requirements causing some pause in the IT sector. I think we have the talent locally but the cost is too much.

From a tech perspective I thought we were trending good but I have noticed recently changes at Home Depot that directly undo the changes that former HD but now Macy’s employees implemented at HD. Some of those same failed approaches are now being implemented at Macy’s.

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Post ID: @2xzo+ZwuIvKe

Well, so you don't think NCR can handle the IT part? I agree. They blew it by outsourcing the valuable IT team. I really don't see them calling these guys back. They did this to save money. Not paying medical and vacation benefits they thought would pad their pockets a bit. Horrible service from NCR. Not just a learning curve for these guys, they flat out don't care! Who ever made this decision should be walked to the door.

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Post ID: @2eoy+ZwuIvKe

Totally forgot about Dillard’s but i also don’t shop much so I’m not a good representation.

D2C build out and increased hiring of the the right people I can see. The stores themselves struggle with manning and need more help. I personally hate going, not enough people.

Story...I don’t totally hate it but it’s a

Gimmick. Once again I’m not the target audience but I don’t know anyone who really cares about it. Our investment in b8ta seemed promising but haven’t seen anything sense then.

I’m surprised how well our Big Ticket business does but your right about the competition there.

Now Jewelry and Amazon moving in there could be huge I’m hurting us. I just have to hope Washington steps in and some of their actions benefit Macy’s. (Side rant.. not forcing online retailers to collect sales tax went on for far too long. I thought that over a decade ago and knew the impact it would have long term for an unbalanced playing field).

We will need to continue to unlock real estate value (I see a lot more over the next 2 years) but reinvest it wisely. Like replace all the WIN CE based tech.

Not paying a dividend could save some money but the impact may be too great for the company to truly consider it.

And don’t forget about Hudson Bay/Saks going private. Not sure they don’t just end up like Toys r Us but time will tell

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Post ID: @2trq+ZwuIvKe

@ZwuIvKe-1ura - the peers that seem to be the front runners also have the strongest stock prices in the sector as well.

I dis-agree with the (Amazon) phrase that it is not a peer. With Amazon ramping up operations focusing on the Clothing and Apparel as well as make-up and footwear along with its jewelry line up (Opening up over 30 D2C's over the next 2 years to support that operation) Directly puts them head to head with Macys and all of the other retailers. (I Would Know) I just interviewed with them for a senior level position and they informed me of their intent and showed me the ground breaking ceremony's of 5 locations already for 2019 already in progress. All designed to drill Retailers.

But if not for that intel for you good enough lets look at Macys comp. that is winning not just the 3 that have failed or will fall.

  • Nordstrom - a solid player. Yes they have had there setbacks but they have been in the .com sector for sometime and have seen sustainable growth year over year.

  • Also another (Target) of all places has seen continued sustainable growth year over year and their stock prices clearly reciprocate that impact from the .com business.

  • Best Buy is crushing in the electronics sector so there's no chance there.

  • Dillard's is still holding strong and taking a head run for the front line

  • Ethan Allen is on the rebound and gaining momentum for the home goods sector

  • Kohls may be in a dip but their projected outlook is favorable to incline leveraging mergers and offering new product lines

  • ROSS stores is solid at 100.00 per share - so there goes backstage as we already sale our discount products to ROSS and TJ Maxx. Which by the way is also ringing in bigger number and figures from .com ordering than Macys.

Here's the evidence: https://csimarket.com/stocks/compet_glance.php?code=M

So with that data as before in the original poster I said that Macys (NO DOUBT) has the better equipment, and newest buildings (Aside the obvious Amazon) before mentioned (Is going head to head with retailers) Macys simply has not been in the game as long as some of the other companies. End of Story. And letting executives walk or letting them go that has spent years building the e-commerce business into what it is today is crazy. And it is reflective in the stock performance, and the continued efforts to push store sales, backstage and (WTF) STORY...!

.com is how Macys gets back on top plain and simple. But it is not without Capital investments of massive proportions, Hiring like crazy, and building at least 15 to 20 D2C operations to get there within the near future. As within the next 2 years. or just expect more of the same ole, same ole for the years to come until someone with some intellect studies the market buys (Pound for Pound) and see's that the only part that is really growing of any significance is and always has been the e-commerce D2C .com side of the Macys business model. There's well over a decade of evidence to support what I am saying.

Hire more people, call up the ones that they "let go of, or Let Walk" and beg them to come back. Give them the budget and the support and watch the rocket ship launch in 2021 with huge ROI's and Massive sweeps in P&L gains.

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Post ID: @1nie+ZwuIvKe

True

They are trying to be everything to everyone and with the renewed interest from Washington on their monopolistic practices I have a feeling they will see significant changes in the next 4 years.

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Post ID: @1tgk+ZwuIvKe

Most of the post is good except for point one. Which sector peers do you consider light years ahead? I don’t see any.

Sears is gone. JC Penny is on its last leg, and I think Kohl’s will eventually regret their decision. Amazon is not a peer. They are trying to be everything to everyone and with the renewed interest from Washington on their monopolistic practices I have a feeling they will see significant changes in the next 4 years.

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Post ID: @1ura+ZwuIvKe

Smaller stores, more nimble, omnichannel

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