Please no crap or sarcasm. I just want to know if I could possibly have a job or not. And so are my fellow adjuncts who have suddenly found themselves without work and no answers from MIA management. Please be respectful to those of us currently without jobs or answers.
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Great and informative comments EUO fINANCE GUY and 21934. sOCLE makes things a little trickier. What is the ECP population these days? I would guess about 2K with EUO probably 8-10 times that. It would seem to me SOCLE would need to follow EUO do to the vast size difference. Perhaps a sale agreement would include one or the other contracting for SOCLE services until they either bring those services back in house or continue to outsource.
Also, online operates separate from Florida ground, but if I am not mistaken they have the same accreditation ties to ground that ECP does to Mesa/Phoenix so any sale would have to include linked campuses to continue their accreditation.
21998- thanks for the info. Someone keeps asking because we haven't even been told we have been out on an inactive list yet. So, obviously since we can't be told the information, we have to rely on communication from total strangers.
Don't ask this question again till next Monday, seems like somebody asks this everyday and you get the same answers. Management is submitting our teach out plan on July 25. The HLC then must approve it. Till then no enrollments. Late start is not happening except for a very small population less than 100
Plan all you want for a teach out. I've been there. Here's what happens: the already low retention rate becomes even lower. Instructors stick around simply for the $, but won't do any outreach (what's the point now?) Copiers and computers break. No one fixes them. Classrooms and offices are cleared of furniture. Everything gets quieter and emptier and more depressing by the week. (Did I mention that pretty much everyone but managers, one FA person, instructors and security has already been let go?) the president and dean will be mostly MIA and unavailable (despite the probably large bonus they're getting to stick it out and not leave before the teach out ends.) ANd in the end, school closes after another term, maybe 2, since students finally stop coming altogether. That may not be the plan people, but that's the reality.
I can't speak on this exact circumstance but one thing goes anywhere. If you are not getting response or updates from management in an company, especially to questions critical to your job, you need to assume the worst. The only times one runs into that is, no communication is way to cya re: liability. Or, a way to leave staff still hoping for best, which assists them as a staff member will continue with responsibilities, whereas if they communicated bad news they may not. There really is never a good reason for lack of communication unless hiding something.
This lack of communication starts from the top, and in times of distress lack of leadership skills shows through, and/or fear of liability. Here is probably both. Bet Sr. Management was good at rah rah communications during good times, but nothing of real substance if you were to go back and read their communications. Also, the less communicated at this point, assists in lowering odds of being in a perp walk, and probably pushed by legal dept.
Anonymous21935, you state that Socle is likely to be sold with ECP/O because the in-house packaging and continuing departments were laid off. The same is true of EUO but on a larger scale. I think this also happened in all ground schools across the country (SF Continuing and Student Accounts depts being eliminated and absorbed by Socle). While I agree that Socle is likely to be sold along with a block of campuses, I feel it is most reasonable for a buyer to take it along with all of the Online divisions. It would be much easier to replace the staff at ground schools than at the Online divisions (EUO/ECPO) simply due to the scale (22k+ students). I am vividly interested in the Online stuff, for obvious reasons.
8/25 are mini starts.. late starts ended last week for ECPO/ECP only because those students were contacted and enrolled packaging with a July 1 and prior date.
Everyone else July 2 till current are being pushed and signed up for a 8/25 Mini start.
Walter,
the only other thing to add is that ECP/ECPO will more than likely be the test model to get all Everest campuses sold. Also the latest update leaked by management this week. SOCLE will more than likely be sold together as a package with ECP because early this year ECP/O laid off the entire packaging dept. & continuing that was in house. Furthermore several of the interested buyers are not related to profit/non-profit school backgrounds, this being a rumor but IT firms is the latest word. However the more realistic setup will be SOCLE sold w/ ECP/O and a package deal to keep school and employees for at least a 5 year stint, this has been confirmed by several management sources still working at ECP but not officially the case as the HLC is still finding someone to mediate the transaction of sales between CCi-HLC-and new owner. This was the other reason why ECP is being put on hold for late starts and enrollments. Teach-out is least likely but not spared from this fate in the next 6months or less.
Ok. Thanks. I'm wondering about dates. You state 8/25. Is that late start or minis only? Or could they be enrolled in regular add/drop? I ask because adjuncts still have 'open but empty' courses. I want to know if they could still fill and I will have a job. I am frustrated, because leadership is MIA and I have no idea what my future is. It's pissing me off, and I just sit and wait, hoping for answers from a freaking discussion board, when the high level high paid management should be giving us freaking answers! You give your all, and get shit on. Nice. Thanks for those of you who can help, I am just so pissed everyone is so worried about saving face, they can't be decent human beings. Yeah, America and corporate culture! Thanks so much! This is saving dreams and jobs!
Good summary 21930. The big hold-up is they want a teach-out plan from ECP in case CCi can't find a buyer that HLC would approve. It is a contingency but an important one. ECP Leadership was likely already working on this when the case came in.
ECP is one of the most viable assets CCi has. Good metrics, regional accreditation, branching and bachelor programs. I believe it will very likely be sold first or to a buyer different from the other institutions. Just a guess though.
No bullshit.. as of last Friday FA dept. in ECP/ECPO are filling Estimates for dual campuses, this being of all EUO campuses. ECP/O Admissions are enrolling for 8/25 start dates but not allowed to have students sign EA's per the HLC (higher learning commission) However ECP/ECPO have not enrolled any late starts, or signed EA's with students who have a July 2 till current enrollment contact period. Only July 1 and prior have the ok for ECP/ECPO students sign EA's with addendums attached to those agreements incase ECP/O goes under. For most of the students at ECP/O calling in for late starts, they are being pushed into the 8/25 no matter what.
As of today no exact dates have been released to who will mediate the sale of ECP/O nor has the HLC provided any information for when ECP can officially have students sign EA's. The HLC is reviewing the new legal terms and conditions with these updated results.