I have been checking my instructors' courses, which is required every week by crazy PD. Each started around 32 students. Some are in the low 20s now. Of those students left, many are "at risk". How many will be left at the end of the term? PD getting nuts over Outreach. Sorry bud, but with all the wasted time spent on Outreach, the drop results speak for themselves. Read the writing on the wall - OUTREACH is pointless and ineffective! And don't blame our instructors on retention. They cannot make a horse drink the water, idiot!
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I have never been asked to change a grade or to submit an appeal form for a student. That is beyond unbelievable and I have been with the online division for a LONG time. As for the plagiarism, I have also submitted these incidents and have gotten feedback every time, so I don't know who you are dealing with but apparently mine is better with follow through. But I also make sure to follow up if I don't hear back so that I know what is going on. I like to stay looped in...
I submit plagiarism issues all the time. Sometimes management will come back and tell me to give them another chance or some sort of grade. I refuse to give more than a zero. I tell them if they can't see it is plagiarism, I will send it to DoE so they can determine. Management does not ask me again to change the zero or give another chance at the assignment.
I can tell you personally that I have never changed grades or submitted an appeal. If manager does this, I don't know about it. But I will not stoop to that level. I worked hard in college and grad school and my students must do the same. If not, then I don't feel bad to give them the failing grade they so rightfully deserve! I am a full-time faculty onlibe, by the way.
If anyone suspects that they have witnessed or been asked to be part of any financial aid fraud (such as incorrect attendance or grades changed) please report it directly to the monitor or ED. Preferably with documentation or at least student names. I've personally witnessed these situations at CCi, but left almost a year ago so I don't have any current student info to give them.
I'm starting to wonder what CCi is doing financial aid wise. The regulations differ based upon whether you are required to take attendance or not (generally required in non-term and nationally accredited). If attendance-taking, student must attend at least once every 14 calendar days or be dropped. If under 60% of the "payment period" (half of an academic year) is done, financial aid money goes back. For non attendance taking, a students getting all F's has 50% of their aid returned unless they can prove actual coursework done (not just logging in or calling instructor) beyond the 60% mark. We see very, VERY few of those at Socle. What are these appeals? Is CCi trying to get an instructor in at least one class to pretend that the student was involved beyond the 60% point? Are they changing grades so the student got at least one D? have any of you seen anything along those lines?
These examples are all too familiar. On a similar note I teach online, and have had students who were homeless (no joke), students who planned to be on military leave for the entire term, countless numbers of pregnancies, and other life-altering situations that at any normal school, a student would simply file an Incomplete for, and receive an "I" for their grade until they finished the coursework by a set deadline. CCI does not offer Incompletes, because they steal student's money. How a school can in good conscience admit a student who is clearly unprepared, or take money from a student that through no fault of their own (in the case of medical emergencies, for instance) can't finish the term, is beyond me.
82, you are so right. I took that course last term. I never even touched the book. I did exactly as you described. I opened the assignment / app in one window, and watched the video in the other. I simply mirrored the video. i feel really sorry for the instructor as she obviously cared. Hope she moves on to something better. Anyway, I will be writing letters to the ACCSC, attorneys general, and others detailing my experience in this course.... and others. Online Everest is a sad joke that just keeps getting sadder.
Yup,.I am horrified at the lack of rigor in the latest Computer Apps course. It reminds me of the Everest commercials on tv..."what are you waiting for?. It's EASY". I guess it plays to the Springer audience. Don't bother reading or trying to figure out the homework yourself...just watch a video and follow along
Even a monkey can do it.
Agreed 25777. As an instructor, if I was asked to submit an appeal, I would report the unethical request to the DOE. They allowed shady practices from admissions and managements but they better not ask the instructors who are forced to try to teach those students that should not be in college. They have dumbed down the courses already and cheer each other on for curriculum changes...example Computer Applications. That committee responsible for easier Individual Work with videos that show students exactly how to complete it should be ashamed. This is supposed to be college not kindergarten. Sad part is the majority of students don't bother to view the videos and submit zero quality work!
25748: I am a full time faculty and have never been asked to submit an appeal for a student. This is something they do with their advisors, coaches, whatever they call them, but not by faculty. Plus I would never want to do an appeal if ever asked. Students choose not to attend pr participate, I'd be damned to try to keep them. Good riddance and hope it teaches them to be more responsible next time.
25748, it was my impression the students themselves had to appeal. However, it would not surprise me if they imposed it on the instructors as well, though the legality of that seem hinky. I haven't been asked or told to do that this term, but it's still early in the term.
25741, this has been my experience exactly. I've gotten the impression (perhaps mistakenly) that the full time faculty now file "appeals" for these students so that they can stay in the class, receive their stipend, and continue to amass student debt from the money that is sent to CCi. If someone knows more than I do about this, please correct me.
"Pretty soon it will be down to the 'small' class size they advertise!" NEVER! WILL NEVER HAPPEN. What will happen is that classes will get consolidated.
If a student is dropped or drops after add/drop (though I know if a student tries to drop after add/drop, they tell them it's too late and won't let them) what happens to the $? Does CCI keep it or does it have to go back? Last term I had students who didn't attend class for 6 weeks plus, and they were never dropped from my course. (Many, many, many students.) This never happened before, so so wonder if it was $ related (and probably not legal.) since instructors at ECPO have no control over attendance, I wonder if the books were cooked? I had students who hadn't come for so long, their grades were between 5 and 15%.
So basically they are down to a normal class size? Pretty soon it will be down to the 'small' class size they advertise!
To Online Faculty, they can have whatever late policy they want. I've found that if a student misses 2 weeks of work, maybe 10% will try to make up the work, and only when they freak out because they might fail in Week 11. So, I don't usually worry about getting that work in. It rarely happens. And I've been with CCI a LONG time. Or maybe it just feels like forever.
I've worked at many schools over the years as a PT adjunct, including for profit. I have never, never seen the incredible number of students who are so clearly unable to handle the workload of college, mostly due to their very poor reading and writing skills. It's atrocious and unfair to everyone. But to lay it at the feet if the instructors is simply a joke. They all know the ability of these students. They have the most incredibly easy curriculum I've also ever seen, and they keep making it easier. As instructors, it's an uphill battle on the best days, and being told to stop calling and shut up during Outreach calls is depressing. Leadership knows this. But they've failed so miserably recently, I doubt they care. Plus, like an earlier poster stated, they are our only source of income. It's just a terrible situation to put us in. And they know it.
CCI is going to learn the cruel irony if recruiting just to have 'asses in the classes.' Their very recruiting methods will be the final hammer in the proverbial coffin. It's THEIR fault, not ours. NOT ours.
25730, me too. And I can tell from introductions in discussions which students I won't see again after Week 2 or 3.
As an adjunct, I find myself engaging less with my students since I've had to do this mandatory "outreach." I'm not learning their names anymore and I'm not keeping track of their interests and particular circumstances. I'm spending all of my time and effort recording "contact attempts" on Talisma.
I am sure they are freaking out! CCI has no line of credit. Therefore, students = the only income we have. What's the retention rate? Between 40 and 60% in any given term, across the board? Last term ECPO has 27,000 students. This term it's 16,000. Let's do the easy math and say 50% stick around. That's 8,000. You get the math. I guess they find out the hard way what we instructors know - Outreach dies not work. When you recruit students who are unable or unwilling to do the work, how do you expect them to change once their in the classroom. My conscious is clear. I do the best I can. But I will not take it personally if the recruit stipend students.
Students say "kiss my butay" to an instructor. They should be kicked out of school. What kind of people are educated and say this!
Why don't they transfer owners already?!
Outreach attempts is just to show management that we are doing the best we can to try to keep a student in the class. Why should anyone have to remind an adult to attend a class they signed up for, I don't know. If this is how these 'students' treat this responsibility, think about a real job. Would the boss call the student to ask them to come in to work? Late work policy is a joke too. At a job, you can't complete a task by the deadline, you are going to be jobless. How are we preparing them for the real world, exactly?