You have to report them to your boss so they can be withdrawn! It's the LAW, apparently. Now, how many deans and associate deans are going to be on board with that? Yeah. I thought so! But, according to some people on the board, if a student gets mad and tells you to stop bothering, we have to legally report them, because they've 'withdrawn!'
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26028 - I got that email too. What's funny is Admin made a big stink about meeting Instructor Expectations for outreach, contacting students with less than a 70% by Tuesday of each week, and those with 0 activity in the last week by Monday of each week, etc etc. Then all of a sudden when SS has too much of a workload, (because nearly half of the students fall into these categories), now our expectations change. So ridiculous.
Since when does stop bothering me = withdrawal?
26030, right on!
I wouldn't worry about it. Obviously, CCi has decided that they want to make the withdrawal process hard for students to keep getting their dough. We are not part of it and haven't been instructed to be part of it. So even if it's illegal for them not to drop a student who informs us to drop them, or even if it's illegal to not drop a student after 14 days of non attendance, that doesn't fall on us. The company's going down anyway. We could report it, but the feds have plenty to shut us down with. We need to just keep our jobs until we find new ones, then sayonara!
Early on in the term, we were sent an email that stated student services were overwhelmed with our Outreach emails, letting them know what's going on. We were given very strict instructions on when to let student services know there was a problem. They did not list having an angry outburst from a student on that list. If they did, Outreach might end!
Just because a student says 'stop bothering me' or 'stop calling me' that does NOT mean they want to withdraw. That only means they want to keep collecting stipends but not be reminded they have responsibilities. I think some people are really not understanding what instructors are hearing. I'm not sure at ALL how that's illegal. I follow up with an email and tell my students if they want me to stop calling, they need to tell the dean of students in my department and he or she will contact me to stop calling. Otherwise, I am bound by my contract to continue calling. And I do. And they stop answering. It's a win win for all of us.
"The important thing is that you are a representative of the institution, so should forward to student services if a student says they will not be attending and don't bother them." Hilarious. I had a student who told me they already told student services to stop calling and they didn't do anything.
I don't know how to withdraw students. How do instructors do that? I've never been told that's my responsibility. Will it take alot of time? I'm kind of busy with Outreach, and sometimes instructing.
I do not know what law is broken by a student screaming at me and me being upset about it. But, if they recruited students who intended to come to class, then maybe this wouldn't even be a topic of conversation.
26013, if the student is expected to use the official withdrawal process, why are instructors at fault? We CANNOT drop students. We have NO access to student records to drop them. I'm very confused. A student yells at me when I'm doing my job. It's the students' responsibilities to withdraw. But somehow, I'VE done something wrong, or possibly illegal? Get over it people. We are all going to lose our jobs anyway. I don't know the laws. I don't know the procedures. I teach classes and call students. That's my job. As far as I know, that's not illegal. Everyone telling me I've done something wrong ought to call the students themselves then. I'm fine with not doing Outreach. It sucks.
26014, it's too early to tell for this term, but it was rampant last term. After the first month, I don't think anybody was dropped from my class for any reason. I never noticed it in previous terms. And I actually didn't think anything about it. I am an instructor, not a FA or student services or anyone who is privy to those laws. I just thought they changed a policy or something. But, after reading this board, I realized it was more serious than I had thought. But, stupid me. I thought CCI was across the board not doing anything wrong. How foolish I was.
26013, as soon as I get that memo from my boss, I will go ahead and follow it.
Worried about compliance? There is a layoff for that!
After 14 days is a much more serious and straightforward issue. If an institution is required to take attendance, they must withdraw a student after 14 calendar days and send their aid money (a portion of it) back to the government. If that is happening, they should be off of your rosters.
There's an official withdrawal process and the student is expected to use it. As long as the students have been made aware of it, there needs to be ways for them to withdraw in writing, by phone, etc. The only time not reporting them as withdrawals (for an instructor who is not their withdrawal person) is if the student says they understood that by doing that they were officially withdrawing, or that they tried other means (like a phone number) and it wasn't answered. The important thing is that you are a representative of the institution, so should forward to student services if a student says they will not be attending and don't bother them. The DNC registry may come into play as well.
That's right! Add students and keep billing them, even if it's past 14 days.
Um, I think we need to ADD students, not REMOVE them at this point. There's enough students removing themselves!
They don't even get withdrawn if they don't show up for class for more than 14 days! And they, by law, are supposed to be removed from the gradebooks.
Now get me that Official Withdrawal Form!!!