I see a lot of attack on Admissions. The Admissions Representatives I work with actually believe in what we do. IDK if this is because for years we were treated better than other departments and paid better as well but some of you need to read a course catalog. As a Rep, I present placement information as reported by Career Services. I do not lie or embellish the numbers, I show them what is in black and white. I tell students how much the program costs but I am not privy to the specifics on how they are going to pay for school- they spend 2-3 hours total with Student Finance who breaks things down for them and gives them a variety of options. I follow the law on enrolling students and am not there to qualify or disqualify. People with disabilities are protected under the law and it is up to the DEAN to step in and deny admission. My job is to verify HS/GED, arrange for testing and hand them off to SF. I answer the phone when Campus Support transfers the call. I ask for referrals from my students. I set the expectation that EVEREST COLLEGE IS SCHOOL. THERE IS REAL WORK INVOLVED AND THAT THERE IS NO MAGIC WAND THAT WILL EITHER GIVE THEM THE KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL OR GET THEM HIRED. Everyone blames admissions. We are just a piece of the puzzle, selling what CCI said it could deliver on. I am NOT an Admissions Counselor or Advisor BTW. I am an Admissions Representative.
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Where have I heard this before???? Oh yea LG's response everytime a student issue/retention was brought to her attention. Clean house cci and stop promoting snakes like Lillian.
Bread lines? I'll get $12/hr to sit on my ass for 6 months...my husband is the BREADWINNER and provider. I'm good and can't wait for the time off.
13173...I DID do something meaningful: I (along with many others) went to one of your regulators and spilled the beans on your criminal activities with the sole dream of having CCI shut down and scumbags like you stopped from screwing over people. THAT makes me feel good. Looks like I am gonna win, enjoy the breadlines.
13172 damn that autocorrect!!!!
As a matter of fact Regulation Robert and whoever else is on here...go do something meaningful. Arguing with the "scumbags" who robbed, cheated and lied does not help a single student or grad. Make a board for them. Provide them with all the dirt and help them sue. Help them lobby congress for reform. Fight for loan forgiveness...do something that SHOULD make you feel good.
What I can't believe is that you all think CCI has continued to operate without making changes. I can't believe that you think the same tactics admissions used 1990 is used today. Now I'm sure you all who speak so I'll of admissions have not been employed with CCI from the 1990s...if I'm correct how do you justify spending the paycheck that was made possible largely because admissions made budget. No asses in classes equals no check for you, no copy paper, no lights. That's simple. So admissions is scum...and you participated in the scam apparently. Did you stand outside the doors in protest and warn the victims? Or did you sit your ask at your desk and do YOUR God damn job? I'll wait.
I can't believe that, even at this late hour, enrollment STILL justifies their slimy tactics. Tell it to the Feds....:)
Do you have any Koolaid left?
13133 this is not daycare. How did you think it worked? BTW that's more than I got enrolling at a university.
13135 that was not the DOA
13133 under ignite a phone call to set the appointment is 20 minutes on the high end. The interview itself is 2 hours give or take including a tour and chance to sit with SF. Many prospects are ready to move forward at that point, some are not and require followup. It sounds as though although you speak a great deal about admissions, you do not know a whole lot about how they operate. I am a SF planner though I started as a rep. It isn't my personality to do what reps do. Give me a task and let me work. I also tried reading the regulation that was referenced and did not find the connection between education having a chance to reverse a student with the point being made. The amount of time it takes to enroll a student (admissions and finance) is not enough to tell anyone that someone is incapable of being successful at Everest and why would anyone want someone making that judgment before they've been given a chance. Most of our students heard "oh he'll never make it" in high school and traditional college. We are supposed to be different. We are support when no one else believes in them. I've seen students blossom at Everest because it was a different approach. Students who barely graduated or got a GED sometimes realize at Everest they can accomplish anything and those people I think would be more upset that some of you see them as victims than upset that someone sold them their own dream.
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If a salesman only spent 2 hours with a prospective student before enrolling them, then that's all you need to know to verify the worst things about CCI enrollment. Get them in, sign them up, start class, move to the next one.
I don't see where the DOA said a word about regulations...you do realize there are several people posting. This is not a private conversation. Right???
13125 give it a rest. 13126 is lonely and does not have any friends so gets his jollies being a d*ck arguing with everyone about how smart he/she is.
With DOAs like this, it's no wonder not one rep would give one day of delayed compensation. Maybe if DOAs actually read and understood the regulations, things would better. I did not realize there was also a comprehension problem at the DOA level, but I should have known; another Everest Grad, maybe? UoP?
DOA that doesn't read the regulations. Wonderful.
Great definition of what admissions stand for!!!! I am a director of admissions and believe in how we help change lives. My kids attended so if we gave them bogus diplomas that didn't make a difference then let my working child know he paycheck is not real!!!!!! BTW he was not eligible for any discounts because he is married!!!!
13119 Reading the regulations is pointless if YOU do not understand how to interpret them. You never made your point. Anyway I love that you have so much confidence in admissions as say we should be able to tell in about 2 hours whether someone can handle a program. I am so glad to know you have that much faith in me vs. someone in education such as an instructor or a Dean... thanks for the vote of confidence...despite the fact that you say I am so desperate for numbers that I would enroll anyone and anything with a pulse. I'm lying, cheating scum yet IT IS UP TO ME TO DECIDE WHO IS AND WHO IS NOT COMPETENT. Yeah, surely there should not be protections against that happening. GOOD NIGHT. GET A LIFE.
"I'm not a counselor...I am a salesman." -all CCI enrollment (until Thursday)
Real professionals actually read the regulations.
13113 allow me to self correct. At the campus where I am employed there are NO COUNSELORS. I can only speak to where I work. I don't know how y'all enROLL elsewhere. Now call me a liar. Please.
CCI sinking is one less place that can do harm to society. Even the soon to be laid off know that. The days of the industries bs antics are numbered.
Lol I guess perception is reality. I didn't see anything whiny about the argument. I think you guys need a drink or a lay. Maybe both. Get on with your life. If you don't like it don't deal with it. If you want to champion for the students go lobby in Washington for reform. Beating up on someone online for having a differing point of view is a waste of time and energy. Good night all and best of luck on Monday at CCI or wherever you happen to find yourself.
The lies keep getting bigger!
There are no counselors at Everest @$$hole
13093 speak for yourself. I went on a job interview yesterday after reading the SEC report. Let me start over. I sent my resume Wednesday night. I was called about 10 after I read said report on Thursday. I was at the interview at 1:15. By 1:45 I had a job offer. Maybe some of you don't know how to get it...I do. Maybe I picked that up in Admissions! BTW the rep is right. Maybe you don't understand what's being said but I have a feeling you don't understand much. Maybe all those years being underpaid while reps pulled up in Benzes has you bitter. This board is for the birds.
@Anonymous13106- But the instructors need copy paper!!!
The fact you deny:
Knowingly enrolling unqualified students
Knowingly setting them up with loans you knew weren't going to be repaid
Pretty much destroys your whiny argument. Blaming it on the Dean if someone unqualified got admitted is especially pathetic. Enrollment is the first person the victim (student) encounters at CCI. Therefore, trust begins there. In the course of the relationship, an enrollment counselor (shitbag salesman) has an obligation to make sure that the victim (student) understands what's being foisted on them. At any time the victim (student) seems confused or not sure, the counselor should stop the hard sell and tell the victim (student) to take a few days and determine what is best for them given goals and costs. You sold a lie, and you knew it was a lie.
Ultimately, the responsibility is on enrollment when they admit whatever is admitted. Everyone there has heard their hard sell tactics and abusive attitude towards non salesman. In your quest to hit numbers at all costs, you are being tossed away with the rest of CCI. Go somewhere where someone may sympathize with a subprime mortgage originator, but here, you can piss off.
Really, my smile is not good enough. Just tell me like it is.
You may be able to fool all those strippers that you call "admissions representatives."
"We have this budget, but we cannot hold you to it, so let's spend all our time discussing budgets that have no impact on your compensation." Again, I'm looking at the size of your eyes.
So we are just talking about things that don't count? LOL!
Budgets are not against the law. Compensation being tied to budgets is what is illegal. Having you fail to make your point.
No wonder no one will hire a former CCi employee.
No wonder CCi is dead.
Recall you suggested admissions was to be accountable: "I'm sorry I'm missing the part that contradicts what i said about reverse vs drop. Or admission being accountable vs the dean." PROHIBITED. Read the regulations.
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Read WTF I said before you tell me to read a regulation that has nothing to do with a student being reversed/dropped not counting against the dean therefore the dean is not penalized for exercising their professional and expert judgment in the matter of a student who is jot capable of being sucessful in the educational setting that we offer. Admissions is not qualified to make that determination. So stop blaming admissions. Damn the register. Read what I said and stop looking for your punchline.
Don't you know, the regulations don't apply to desperate people? lol