Thread regarding Corinthian Colleges Inc. layoffs

@15718-;)

Jack, thank you for being honest. Doesn't it feel great? Enjoy your weekend.

I remember one guy who started in Student Finance. Lots of experience at a competitor and very knowledgeable. He was here two days and walked out. I believe the comment was along the lines of "I don't know about you people, but I don't want to go to jail." I admired him for it.

@15618- I understand that employees finally had enough and reported to the DOE. These are people, that unlike me, were not able to make peace with their actions. However, ask yourself this: How long did it take you to finally have enough? Were you really that credulous to not see it from day one? The only people that I can tip my hat to are the ones that left the instance they realized the truth. The others that finally had enough, what about the days, months, or years that led up to that point?

No! Not everyone was like DOE! There are some of us that really stood up to ethics and left as soon as we saw what was going on and reported that to DOE, that is the reason behind the major "Secret Shoppers" and why CCI so called implemented the "Walk the Talk"

15591 - so what did the swimming course cost you? $5,000, $10,000, $15,000, $20,000? I'm thinking more on the lines of a couple hundred? At least you got some value out of it (learned to swim or got some exercise). That's where the real difference is with CCi. Lower value degree/diploma in the employment marketplace plus a lifetime of debt to go along with it.

Anonymous15581- I took a credit swimming class at the local community college. I declared "general studies," so I am in a degree program. I have no plans to finish the degree, but I do enjoy taking a few classes. Yes, you can point to poor CC statistics, yet I am a happy customer. I'm not sure it works that way at CCi.

@15581- The difference is that we at CCI milked from the federal government. You can't take advantage from Uncle Sam and not expect to eventually get caught with your hand in the cookie jar. All the institutions you mentions thrive on private funding. This would be a great segue to bring light into the corporate greed that is higher education. I'm starting to sound trite, but you must understand that our world is a place that is run by corporations and greed. Our world leaders are simply there to create a comforting facade for people like you and me. There is not an industry out there that isn't fed by corporations like CCI. While I'd prefer to live in a day of subsidence, I was born into this world. I am simply conforming and making a living doing so. I am just as much of a sheep as everyone else here. I just have no problems admitting it.

Everest did just what every other college does. Check the stats for students finishing degrees after they start. Places like Harvard and some other good schools are over 90%. If you check state schools and community colleges it is really low. Some places only have about 15% of the students ever finish a degree. Its just a system and we are a part of the system. No big deal.

@ADMISSIONS- When I was directly in the front line of admissions, I likely did my job the same exact way that you did. As a matter of fact, we were puppets to CCI. We had a set way that we were forced to do our jobs. Call it what you want. I'm just saying that I was smart enough (no offense) to see beyond my little cubicle and realize the grand scheme of things. The sooner I made peace with it, the easier it was to move up and confirm that my hunches were correct.

@15574- I'm not by any means trying to make myself feel better. I have already accepted what I do (likely to be did) for a living. I have never lost sleep, nor will I lose any sleep for my actions. The difference between myself and many others on this board is that I am willing to admit my part in the grand scale of things. When you are in a new position looking back, you will realize everything I am saying and will wonder how you could be so blind. The mixed feeling that will follow soon after will be the mixed feeling that I made peace with many years ago. Life moves on and so will ours.

Yes, CCI serves vulnerable people - this apparently became our "niche" market. NOTHING wrong in that. Similar to being the "special education" department for a large school district. You can serve these unique people two ways - ethically or unethically. Sounds like we have both groups of people on this blog!

I think DOA's point is that, yes, everyone was like him for practical purposes. meaning that even if you had the wool pulled over your eyes and intended to do good, what you were actually doing was enriching a few jerks at the expense of many poor people. CCi has always targeted the most vulnerable citizens. That was one of the admissions findings, that there was actual training directing staff to target low self-esteem people with few options in life. It's hard for many of us to face, but we WERE part of the same machine that DOA was. All serving the same unseemly masters.

No not everybody was like you. Stop trying to justify and make yourself feel better. It isn't a comic book where you are some cool villain. Have a seat.

I wouldn't call what I'm doing trolling. I am spending CCI time opening the eyes of all employees that were part of our corp. These are likely my last days as a CCI employee, so I might as well tell it like it is to those of you who tried to block it from your minds. Honestly, are any of you surprised by any of this? As long as you were employed here, you were part of the "problem."

@15569 - I hate to sound like a broken record, but you are part of the problem. If you seriously worked in admissions and thought you were making a difference, then you will likely spend your entire career working under people like me. Time to realize the corporate culture that has evolved in our country. You either swim with the fishes, or get left behind. I technically broke no law. I did what I had to do to survive in this fabricated world of monetary gain and economic status. Our species created this environment. I'm just smart enough to realize what has to be done to thrive.

This dude is just trolling for entertainment purposes.

@15553- When you had a homeless, elder, uneducated, and/or felon person show up to your classroom, did you really think you were going to make a difference (assuming you were an instructor or somehow affiliated with the educational side of things). What happens if you, or whomever the instructor was, tried to kick one of those students out of the classroom? You likely got hammered by someone in my position (maybe even me). You were forced to keep that body in a chair so that CCI could milk the funds from the federal government. Whether you were a 4th floor C-Level, an instructor, or somewhere in between, you contributed to the problem. You likely did it for the same reason as myself. You wanted a paycheck to support your family. You likely even justified it with a comforting quote similar to: "If not me, then they will just pay someone else to do it."

Sounds like you sold your soul, morals and ethics for a paycheck. We all have those opportunities throughout our life. When I came to CCI I made a choice to put students first. I did that AND didn't sell my soul for a paycheck. Don't post on this board like you're like everybody else, because you're not. Just because you worked at CCI, it's not automatic that you had to be this way!!!! You had a choice! You're the kind of person I hope to never have to work with, or work for. Hopefully you'll have enough sense to get into a different line of work where you don't have the opportunity to hurt and devalue vulnerable students.

Proud you say? Not really. I take no pride in what I did. I really don't care. I separated the unethical aspects of my job from my conscience. Think of it like a service man. Are they really fighting for our freedom? Or, are they fighting for imaginary causes to enrich the corporations that profit on war? When those service men and women were forced to kill, they likely flipped the same switch I did. The only difference is that I actually helped people on occasion. You can call me a bottom-feeder if you would like. I think a better insult would be a predator since I really just fed on the bottom-feeders.

You must be so proud. You are the bottom feeder jerk. Go start you're own school then.

Thanks for being honest! Some of us weren't in admissions and really weren't quite as unethical, but we are all responsible to some degree. I'm very thankful to the folks who left and brought info to the feds that is helping to get the place shut down. Enough is enough. I don't want to be part of damaging people's lives anymore, and in the end the rationalizations we tell ourselves just make us assholes.