With the lax late work policy where students can submit late assignments and main discussion posts from Weeks 1 - 9 by the end of Week 11, a few always try to submit crap work for some credit at the last minute. Essentially they can do practically nothing for 9 weeks of a 12 week class and still have a chance of passing if they get at least a 60%. Faculty must graciously accept it and keep checking old work over and over. And we are to prepare them for the 'real world'. Scary.
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When you target prospective students because they are not candidates for success ... SHOCK ... you get unsuccessful students. It's the money that matters. They only need to be in class to get CCI cash. College students need to arrive able to read and learn - like with a HS degree or GED. If you are training surgeons you darn well better believe there is a skill/knowledge benchmark they need to hit. Same for any profession. PLUS If you are training or educating anyone your accreditation is worth 0 if the students are passing without the skills. An employer will not be pleased. Oh, wait. Employers were paid to hire them.
Many cci students are not working full-time. They are welfare recipients sitting around watching tv and making more babies. They are bottom of the barrel. Whoever they could recruit from homeless shelters and jails. Dangle financial aid to help you get out of your financial mess and who wouldn't take the easy bait? You don't even need to attend class. Many didn't even need a high school diploma or ged. They were classified as 'ability to benefit' which gave cci an ability to benefit financially from them as well. Many can't read or write one sentence, and were not asked to prove anything. Yup, instructor you own the student so try to teach the impossible. We will bully you to pass them otherwise.
Students who are never in class should be dropped based on all the work we have to do in Talisma. I guess I was never clear on who was in charge of dropping them from the course because it never seems to happen. . .
Some people here don't seem to get it. We aren't talking about students who miss class sometimes and skip a homework now and then because they had childcare issues. We're talking about people who attend twice in an entire term then show up during the final and ask what they can do to pass. We're talking student who wouldn't survive a day in a real school. We're talking students who make me embarrassed that I work for CCI. We're talking full-on, nobody better tell me what to do, I still don't know the instructors name after 11 weeks retards.
Double standard: Instructor misses any deadline, does not meet numbers with the excessive skype calls and recording in talisma, does not reply to emails within 24 hrs, does not re-grade work from weeks and months ago within 48 hours, etc. , then the micromanaging Program Leads and Director get on your case. If a student misses a deadline, has a million family emergencies, internet shut off, demands work from weeks and months to be re-graded, we are told to work with the student to catch up. They plagiarized? That's okay - tell them not to do it again. Yes, be super cheery and encouraging with the lazy bums. We need to keep them, they say. Every student, every time. Cci does not care about instructors and the busy sork we do. They don't care about students -- just see dollar signs.
The CCI degrees are not real degrees. They give the false sense of accomplishment to a student that they are equal to what a graduate of a more reputable school has undergone. The reality is that most of the CCI graduates will never hold water next to even a community college graduate! The lack of academic quality and school reputation will always keep graduates out of good jobs. Hence the government rightfully asking for justification. Jack Mess-imo needs to understand that the Late Policy for students does not translate to real world expectations. The documents to DOE are a prime example of how important it is to hold people accountable to deadlines!!!!!!
Saying that expectations and results should be the same for all universities is illogical. There are several different levels of medical schools training doctors. Education is not a conveyer belt in which you pump out a product. The hard the program and the more desired the graduates of that program the harder it is to get and stay into that program. The design behind open enrollment is that it caters to every skill level and thus many students need to develop basis skills in the entry level courses. You just cannot have the same level of expectations for a student in an open enrollment university that you would at a state level school as the two students are operating with different skill sets. You can't ask a fish to climb a tree. That student may never have the same set of skills as those at the state university but that does not mean that they do not have the opportunity to develop skills that make them marketable. That being said enrollment policy and asking instructors to call their students to remind them to do home work is absolutely ridiculous. If after taking a lower level course it is time to sink or swim.
Students are not graded on effort but their skill level is taken into consideration
I teach for both open enrollment and state universities and teach lower and upper level classes. My expectations do vary based on the skill level needed for the class.
16342 - So because it is 'open enrollment', you have less standards? Such excuses. Obviously you give grades to students for effort rather than whether they actually completed something with correctly. You must also do so in order to get great student reviews and more classes...after all, the more you pass the less upper management will complain to you about attrition. Mind you that they earn a credential of an Associates or Bachelors degree that someone at a real college had to work hard and adhere to meeting minimum standards. The CCI degree should reflect the same.
16333 heald lets instructors set late policy in theory only. If a large number of students are failing, you will be brought in to a meeting with your program manager and DAA, and they will strongly suggest -- if you know what I mean -- that you change your late assignment policy.
Teach a man to fish...
@anonymous16342 - Really, you willingly allow 6 weeks of late work. You should be ashamed of yourself for having such a generous policy that will keep students in the "circle of poverty" since they will never be held responsible for themselves. They won't be able to hold a real job!! EUO does not have the luxury of setting our own policy. Admit that you are part of the problem of these students by not holding them accountable.
ECP allows us to use our own late policy. I do not accept work from the first half of the class after Week 6 and they always have a late penalty for submitting work late so their grade will reflect their level of work.
I do not think it is very professional to use the word "retard" to describe any person. These are people who live in the cycle of poverty and could not be accepted to a state university. That is why this is "open enrollment". You do have to adjust your expectations and teach to the population you are working with. Meet them where they are at and work for improvement. If you can't do that then maybe teaching in general isn't for you.
We get the Late Policy jammed down our throats. Used to be able to have our own policy. No longer. They wanted to keep student numbers and enrollment up so they created their dumbass policies (late work, skype, outreach, talisma) that made the instructors glorified babysitters and sales/data entry personnel rather than teachers. They penalize instructors for not meeting 'attrition rates'. These rates don't count students that are participating and passing. They count those that have never done a single assignment and have no chance in passing but yet are still magically on your class roster (and receiving financial aid). We have SOS meetings every day to have these numbers spewed out. It's all BS.
Heald allows each instructor to set their own policy. So accept no late work at all. Others accept it for 50% credit. Most don't accept any work turned in after week 9 or 10. Some give an extra week and then no credit. Pretty similar policy to most major universities.
Anonymous16330: Stop making excuses for your lazy students. They enrolled willingly and have the added responsibility. They know they must do x, y, and z for each class every week. They need to make time for it somehow. Otherwise do not take the class. I teach at many colleges and no way would the CCI Late Work Policy ever be allowed. Not to mention that no employer would tolerate someone with that type of attendance, weeks and months of late work, or an unresponsible work ethic.
They have already dumbed down the classes. Just take a look at Computer Applications. These students have videos to show them how to complete each and every assignment - and still submit crap!! How much easier can it get. Doesn't require them to actually read the chapter or do any practice beforehand. It doesn't even require them to read the assignment instructions. All you have to do is click the link and watch the video. Then follow along while the instructors show you what to do. Easier than Sesame Street. Maybe we need to make the videos more dramatic like the Jerry Springer show.
Most of my students are parents and have full-time jobs or are active-duty military. Accepting that they have other responsibilities and being flexible on deadlines is something I do to work with my students to help them succeed. Accommodating the needs of non-traditional, working adults at a career-oriented college is different than preparing 18 year olds for the 'real world'.
All of that has been done out of desperation. They lost plenty of quality professors when they fired all the personnel who were making those calls and dumped the calls onto the faculty.
I h@te this policy. Maybe we should call them up and ask them if they went to thw bathroom each day. Then we can document that in talisma. Stupid ass policies
10-30% of students in every class are worthless retards. This group of students cheat, plagiarize, miss more often than they attend, cannot follow instructions to save their lives, and treat the instructors like shit. These students deserve a lifetime working at a carwash or picking up dogshit; they certainly can't function in a classroom, even a classroom tailered to be as easy as possible. Kick these losers out! They are an embarrassment and they make us all look bad. Finals week is a joke because we end up accepting shit from so many of these dopey students simply because we never want to see them again.
Sad that they allow students to take no responsibility. That's like having a student in a face to face class not show up for over two months and then waltz in in the last few weeks. And how the hell can they get credit for discussions after the fact? In a residential class, a discussion takes place and then is over. If you're not there, then you miss it and can't go back to try to restart the conversation. That's so wacked.
This must be the Late Work Policy that Jackie boy and company must follow with the Department of Ed!!!! Oh we have documentation due? We'll get that to you late. Deadline schmedline.