While some of those that I spoke with could have counted as placed, and legitimately so in terms of technical compliance with the rules, the problem is that the employment did not last. So what if they were placed in a position that lasted less than 12 months, or less than 6 months, or under 3 months... And we have heard that CCi paid employers to hire some graduates for very short periods of time. Career services places a student into a position where the total earnings is very small, yet that counts as a full placement. It would be nice if CCi were required to prove positive return on investment using income metrics. Even if the 70%, or whatever, placement is technically correct, the important thing is dollars earned in their "field of study," not if they are on the job for a single day.
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Stephanie and Joe agreed and did the same thing for Everest-San Antonio- One program was short 3 students from meeting goal, solution... get a doctor to "hire" 3 students for one yes one day and count them as a placement.. really??? you guys suck, poor students probably never got anymore placement assistance.
The San Antonio team and it's managers are definitely part of the reason CCI is in this mess!
Career Services: As to your point re: job placement's difficulties. The first rule of any good business: the customer is right. If a school cannot place students in their field 1) the school failed to properly educate students (and perhaps has a reputation for below par grads) 2) the school is churning out more diplomas than the market needs or 3) career services failed to make industry connections or to put out effort. It is a sign of poor management to blame the customers.
Career Services: At least that's what you call yourself. You are either disingenuous or as gullible as the students. They only thing that makes such high-priced tuition worthwhile to the desperate is the "career services."
If "your" students could think for themselves and make better decisions they wouldn't come to you for assistance.
Sadly, you've managed to isolate yourself from the real world for some time. Here's the rest of the world's perspective on CCI bogus job placement complete with the contract that was used for the fake job placements http://goo.gl/PF1vEO My personal favorite - a tie between the CCI employees & friends were caught starting their own "companies" to get in on the action and the "volunteer" one day gigs that counted as job placements. More: http://chronicle.com/article/Calif-Accuses-Corinthian/142267 More: http://goo.gl/m3sNrY
Such a falsehood: "Most of the MA diploma (9 month program)positions I placed paid $12.00 - $14.00 per hour, making the break-even at about 8 months." While I think you might believe that, minimum wage must be subtracted from the $12-$14, bring the increase closer to $4. Also the 9 months spent must be included in the computation. The student could have been working for those 9 months, so you must overcome both the 9 months worth of income and the tuition, books, and so on at $4 an hour. Now I will agree that future increases in pay should be included, but there are too many that are back down to minimum wage, so they will never get any return on investment.
Do you have any idea how career services works? A placement MUST be in their "field of study" or it can not be reported as a placement. In terms of duratuion, your post seems to imply that grads were placed in scenarios that were known upfront to be very short in duration. While I don't doubt that this occured, I suspect that a number (no, not all) of the employment experiences that lasted less than 1 year had as much to do with the grad as with the employer. CCI's responsibility? Argueable. I saw the quality of grads decline over time. This is not a shot at admissions or academics - they can only work with what is presented to them. It is, in part, a function of the market (declining demand, over-supply of education options) and leadership's inability to adjust quickly.
"It would be nice if CCI were required to prove positive return on investment using income metrics".
How is that defined? Make more income than you spent on loans? Most of the MA diploma (9 month program)positions I placed paid $12.00 - $14.00 per hour, making the break-even at about 8 months. Seem reasonable?
Like others, I am a bit mystified about how the CS issues with DOE came about. In CS, we were constantly frustrated by the seemingly valid placements that were not approved by our internal audit process. Not sure how claerly fraudulent placements made it through the system - or wh senior management can't seem to supply what is requested by DOE.
At the end of the day, the ultimate resonsibility for success or failure of any organization lies in the same place - leadership. CCI will become a business school textbook case of failed leadership.
Next? Produce documents, maybe?
Yes. Everest schools in California paid head hunters to place students in short term jobs. What they did is done. Next??
Who do you place, the person who counts for a placement, or the person still looking after six months?
"We offer a life time of career services already" lol
Sure, in theory this sounds good.....we cannot hold their hand forever. We offer a life time of career services already - our students need to take flight and think for themselves. If their job ends, just like ours, they need to look for a new one...NOT call us and have us do everything for them. When they start their job, like us, they probably have a 30 day probationary period. Do a good job and the job most likely will not end!!! And, if they've done a good job, they should get a good reference and/or letter of recommendation. We can teach the clinical skills, sadly, not the soft skills.