This is a violation of labor laws in my state given the amount of work that is expected with the phone calls, Talisma, outreach, grading, feedback, etc. It ends up being less than minimum wage. I hope that ED department investigates this. Jack continues to drive this place into the ground.
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Accreditation? Trying hard not to laugh! They will have sold all campuses or gone BK before their next round of accreditation!
Ashford University did this (read the visiting team report from 2012 on wascsenior.org), and the accreditor notes that with such large online classes, instructors were unable to have sustained, meaningful interactions with students, which is a requirement of approved DE programs. CCi needs to be careful.
Can Talisma be used to reduce class size?
The official line is that the bigger class size is the new norm. More work for the same pay.
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How do we bring this matter to the attention of ED?
Oh, but the "students" come here and inform us that all is fine. They love CCi...
030, please refer to the post I was responding to.
You don't seem to understand my point. It has nothing to do with intelligence or going to ED on your own.
Our students deserve a great education. Bottom line. If you can't produce and engage and give them what they deserve, you should find another career.
Anonymous 20027: Wrong. Most of the instructors here are educated and well-spoken. They are on the same side as ED and need to let them know what is going on at CCi. We are being "monitored" which means that we as employees should feel free to pass along any information that we feel ED might not know. They are supposed to be aware of everything during this period.
20002, think clearly about who you put on the rowboat to ED. If it's some of these people, or people with terrible attitudes, or hate their jobs so profusely, you might just prove what students have complained about - bad education and crappy instructors.
Until I've seen some if the posts from hateful adjuncts in the last 2 days, I thought the problem was on the recruiting end.
Again, don't like it, quit. Or go to your direct supervisor with it. Why complain about it here? Nobody here can resolve your issue.
The contracts states 'at will.'
Listen to all these dickheads who haven't a clue what they're talking about. 40 students in a class is too many. It's too many to do the job properly, and it cheats the students and the instructor who has to do considerably more work than he would with a properly sized class. Is that too complicated for some of you to understand? It's like if you showed up to mow somebody's lawn, and were given an amount to mow and a fixed payment, then -- after you signed the deal -- you were told there was another huge swathe of lawn to mow that would include no additional time or money for you. Get it now, idiots?
973, you are always in a position to leave. Always. Don't complain if you take a job you hate. That's on you. You are not a victim of anyone or anything.
If the workload is not manageable, it may be because your students know how you feel about them and don't want you as an instructor. I really like my job (go ahead, bully me into not liking it - I dare you!) as an Everest adjunct. I work to help my students get the education they paid for. My students often thank me for my help. And I've had many complain about a lack of interaction from other instructors. I thought they were exaggerating. Until now.
If your outreach is high, look in the mirror. Mine is not bad at all.
Anonymous 19999: actually, ED released these funds to make sure that students would get the education they contracted for. If they were told individualized attention and small class size then that is a breach of contract and ED will be very interested. Trust me, they will not be laughing at anything we say and are not going to be taking CCi's side. I am still talking to them daily about what I documented while in SF. Their intention is to show that CCi will not teach out in good faith and cut off the money flow permanently.
After they stop laughing, here is your message from ED: If you don't like the contract, don't sign it. (Resume giggling. Boo Hoo. He as to teach the class he is getting paid for?!?! Is that even legal?!?!)
ED would likely remind you that the school won't exist in 6 months and they have bigger fish to fry.
You mean they actually expect you to do some work for a salary that you agreed upon when you were hired.
Get a life quit bitching and be glad you still have a job at least for now.
If you feel you're over worked and under paid, that's your fault you need to develop better negotiating skills.
19973, so what does that say about you? You are not happy to have this job but you continue to work and take the pay. That is like being married to someone and not happy but suck it up to take gifts and money in the marriage until you can find something better. So the company is good enough to take a paycheck from so you use the company until YOU have other options? I mean come on!
There is one sure fire way to downsize your class numbers . . . To zero.
Anyone have direct contact info for any of the big boys at ED? I'm sure they would be interested in Jack's latest scam.
19967, I am not management, I am common sense - if you don't like something why stay and complain. That is the problem in this country. People who are not happy with where they are but do nothing about it but complain. Is anyone making you stay and work? Of course not, yet you elect to stay...why? So you can draw a paycheck until you can find something better? So you take the paycheck even though you are miserable....doesn't that make you the hypocrit? Doesn't that say a lot about your character to take but yet seek to lash out at the company paying you. Attitude is everything. Many people on this board can't be told ALL the details because they can't handle it. They just seek tofind the negative. A lot of glass half empty people here. Go see if the grass is greener on the other side.
19969, probably also admin/management and not faculty, nor has ever held an adjunct faculty position. And you just proved your own point. Many of us are happy to have jobs. But we are NOT happy to have this job, and are in no position to leave.
You think ED is concerned about class size at this point? And you think they will jump right on that and change it by Monfay?
At 996, that is right there aren't other jobs for you to go run after, but the point is there are other people in the wings that want and need employment and would accept the exact job you are doing, the workload you complain about and at the pay rate you deem low. You don't leave because it is not that easy to find other adjunct positions, but point is there are many people seeking employment waiting for open adjunct positions and happy to have a job. Some colleges pay 1,200-1,300 per course per 11-12 weeks. It is no different than people who rent a house and decide they have issues because this or that doesn't work so they stop paying rent and then justify that because the conditions aren't at their expectations...the point is if you don't like it, you are an adult...move.
How much outreach do you people have to do? My retention levels and grades are good. I spend Mayberry 10% of my time doing outreach. Maybe attitude towards students is directly correlated to retention?
19964 isn't faculty, he/she is management. You can always tell, because their current mantra is "if you don't like it, simply leave." They're saying it on the campuses, and they're all over this board parroting it.
19964 you obviously aren't faculty or know anything about academics if you think there's other adjunct jobs just laying around to run off to. And full time faculty experience this too. We get the same pay whether we teach 25 students or 40, even though the workload is unmanageable.
Are there any websites where students are complaining about the debacle that Jack caused for Corinthian?
If you are an adjunct and think there are too many students and too much workload, why not quit. There are plenty of people seeking employment that would take the workload at the pay rate. I don't understand why people complain and don't take any accountability to make action steps. If you dislike something leave.
If you were an Everest student at this point, would you show up for a class?
Anyone have any contacts that we can write to about this? It's ridiculous to have 40+ students in a class for the small amount that pay us per course with these crazy requirements.
Ugh. Scheduled maintenance on Ecollege. Hope to god I don't come back and find 40 students in four courses. And as far as labor laws, we signed a contract. There's nothing you can do about how many students are in your courses. We're screwed. Luckily ECP got rid of Talisma.
Statistically there is always a higher drop factor in the first week of classes. Some still dropping in week 2 but in week one you will easily have 20% drop of those students. Considering the news and climate there will be more students dropping in the first week of class than statistically before, hence there are more loaded to account for this aspect.
That's probably what Jack wants. They've been acting like spoiled, whiny toddlers about this whole thing, as though they aren't adults who ruthlessly and willfully created this situation to financially better themselves. "We HAVE to put 40 in a class. We HATE to do that, since the students can't learn, but you haven't given us enough money to have normal classes."
Not my classes. I teach study skills and there are usually 20 students in my class. I have 41 currently on my roster in one section!
Can anything be done to decrease the class size? Who can we complain to?
Bet if we contacted the ED department, that would put some pressure on Jack to stop this illegal and unethical activity.
Jacky boy is trying to save money by stuffing as many students into the classes as he possibly can. Once again, he's screwing the students because there will be so many of them in the classes that we will not be able to give them our full attention due to the volume and workload that is shoved down our throats.
I don't know where you have been, classes have always been loaded with 30-32 students. The complaint about the worlkload, iit is no different at many other colleges - some yes and some no but it is not unique to cci.
I would document the workload and cut out anything non-essential. Just teach, grade, give feedback.