Today our teacher came into class and said that we were no longer permitted to print or copy class related documents at the school. She said she would have to print the stuff out if she wanted us to have it due to budget cuts! Then she said on days that we have test or graded labs and we are finished we are not allowed to leave? Need to sit around for 2 or 3 hours as they can not have students leaving early as it would not look good and we are required to be there. I understand if we are having class lecture but this is nuts. I'm the one paying the bills around here not the school or EDMC! They had better get there crap in one sock or else I'm going to start making some phone calls. It's amazing all the phone numbers that are in the academic catalogs. So if management is reading heed the warning.
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I think the answer is in the VA. See they will only pay around 10K per year for Vocational training but 20 K per year for College for us Vets. This is probably how the Federal aid works also. So since it's all about the money and profit and not so much about the students, you have the mess you have. These schools wanted to double the money per student so no the USA is only left with Semi truck drivers school as the only vocational school left in America. All I want is a job making $20 to $25 per hour.
I agree with 36066, EDMC should cut the bull. They really need to be called trade schools. Cut the price to 20,000 and the time down to 6 months. Teach a solid trade. Many people could benefit from this and actually get a job and make a good living. Stop with the "market driven" degrees. You make that shit up, somehow get it accredited but we all know its still bull. The real world dose not understand or care about your fake newly created market driven degrees that exist nowhere else on the planet.
The problem is the schools are trade schools and not colleges. They need to stop being something they are not. Most of these programs can be taught in 6 months and get people in a job. Stop being something you are not. You are a vocational training school. Current student.
The students are complaining about paying for copies because they are already paying a fortune to go there. If 10 cents is not such a big deal, why not take it out of the $100,000 you get from each student instead?
According to EDMC own info, benefits amount to 30% and that was before all the cuts to benefits. So the cost of that 45,000 salary is not 90,000, more like 55,000 The majority of overhead has nothing to do with the instructors or their benefits.
Hate to burst your bubble 35916, but faculty at EDMC are way under paid compared to state Universities. A typical college professor with a Masters makes around 70,000 verses maybe 45,000 at a for-profit. Plus, there is no tenure at a for-profit either. Think about it, you are a business, your goal is to get the biggest bang for the buck, at the lowest possible price. Its a free market.
35955 Stop trying to pretend EDMC in not primarily funded by the US Government, why do you think the Government is suing them, they want their money back. You might not want to talk about it but too bad, its a fact. Regardless how you word it, EDMC would be completely out of business without government money. This is NOT true of other schools. Respectable Universities get donations all the time from wealthy successful alumni and corporation as well as paid out of pocket by their parents who were smart enough to put money away for their kids college education. And yes, some money from the government, but not anything close to what EDMC is getting. Money from the US Government IS the primary business model and funding source EDMC lives off of. 80% to 90% its a fact.
35916, there is overhead far beyond teacher salaries. First, when you pay benefits, that 45k salary costs a company 90k. Add lease or rent, platform (eCollege) costs, equipment costs, salaries for advisers, job placement services,tutoring, curriculum, HR, etc, not to mention interest payments, and recruiting, your profit isn't what you make it to be. It's a business, lots of overhead, and yes of course profits can be made. It's a business, not a state university funded by tax dollars (Please, refrain from the student loan tax argument we've been there, we get it)
Look, I've taught onground, toured the facility recently - Your facility is way better than a state U, and it is because you guys pay top dollar. Look, I'd never refer someone to go here, its way too expensive - Go to a CC or State U - But if you signed on voluntarily then just deal with it or quit and pay off your existing loans. The staying in class thing is a couple times a semester for testing right? So you pay a dime for copies, big deal, that's life. Sounds like you have other issues, resentment...How are your classes going?
This is so laughable. In a real college or university, its common place to only be required to show up to class on test days. They figure you are an adult and attendance is not something you need to be graded on. Your loss and responsibility if you missed out on information only given during a class lecture. And by "your responsibility" they mean don't expect the teacher to be around to fill you in like your mommy holding your books for you. You will have to get the info from another student you hopefully trust. And dont bitch that the information you missed is not posted online. See how it works? You are an adult, you make the choice.
Finished your test early? Yes, you can leave, you are adults, this is not high school. You can vote and join the military too.
If you do the math, one class generates about $1000 - $2000 gross profit per student per class. If a teacher is making say 45,000 a year, he is paid roughly 2,200 per class. In the business world, usually the highest overhead are the salaries. In this case 1 or 2 students would cover that cost. The rest is mostly profit, 20,000 to 40,000 per class. So yes, we cannot afford your damn toner cartridges. You think a billion dollar corporation is doing this out of the goodness of our own heart? HA,HA.
Yes, once in a while it helps to see things through "management" eyes. And let's not bunch all management together - there are levels. But here management would be concerned about compliance, even accreditation, what it looks like to visitors and other outsiders. Having said that, keeping my students in an office for 4 hours when they could be working in a lab was just silly and unproductive. Luckily with time they learned and now teach that course IN a computer lab. I've worked at a number of schools. The copier costs are way beyond your wildest estimates. It makes good business sense to at least curtail or manage those costs.
What do you expect management to say, "Let your students go early." That is not going to happen. The good instructors know how to take care of these problems.
I believe 35587 was being sarcastic?
I believe 35587 was being sarcastic?
And move on. Look, I quit teaching on ground because they made me keep students in an office classroom instead of cutting them loose to the computer labs. It was really dumb. So I moved on. If you're really concerned then form a group of students have them submit a formal well written letter to the vp of your school voicing your concerns. But keep it professional. Good luck!
Yes, you will be charged. And after today the grades will be considered Fs as well.
Honestly, this is heartbreaking to read.
Anonymous35587, how DARE you speak to our students this way?
They have done NOTHING wrong. Our students are REALLY the ones paying the price here. So many of them are being taught by Digital Tutors and are never able to find their Directors when they need them. And that's because the Director's are busy doing 3 people's jobs because of budget cuts. It's horrible.
Our students are why we are here, aren't they? At least they used to be.
Students, please know that many of us employees of EDMC do fight to keep your best interests in mind and we are STILL passionate about helping you succeed!
Well, frankly you should stop complaining and just deal with it- it's not that big a deal, it happens everywhere, and you come across as sounding entitled. It's only test days. And no one put a gun to your head to enroll. Make the best of it and m
Oh they will charge you. Depending on how long you have been in class it will be for 25/50/or 75% of the class or more. It is in the academic catalog. Sometimes they won't refund the fees either. Look it up, it is all there.
@Anonymous35740, have you considered an organized walkout, or at least an organized teach-in? If you do a teach-in, consider using Suzanne Mettler's "Degrees of Inequality" as well as articles by David Halperin.
Well if I do the math, my class provides over 40k per month to the school. You are telling me you don't have enough to buy ink or toner? Then you want me to sit around when we are done with a test so no one will see me leaving because you are afraid of being shutdown if someone sees me leaving and you think this is good for students motivation? It may be alright for some students but not me. So if I withdraw today can the school charge me for the class days remaining after my last day of attendance?
While both cutting back on copy budget and constraining students to rooms during class hours is a bummer on a number of counts, it's not unusual to find on other campuses.
News flash, I'm leaving! If you don't like it then kick me out and put it in writing as to why you are doing so and under what law. That way I can turn it over to the States Attorney Generals office. There is 12 already looking at you idiots, what's another one. The students are providing your pay check, keep that in mind.
Management has read this and dose not care about your little tantrum. We are going to enforce the rules and teachers are not supposed to let students leave early on test days or labs. If students finish early, the student should be given other assignments to work on. These are our policies,(and also a way to cover our ass and look professional as we try to sell of the school)