Oh yea, Obama really played hard ball with a big fine. How about no more visa's for infosys.
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Considering that Infosys just settled a massive visa fraud case with the justice department, I wonder how many of our Indian consultants are in the country illegally.
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Don't expect employees to sit by while they train an inferior offshore team in their work. Every job lost affects that employee, their family and others - it is a very difficult process.
Follett family doesn't care about supporting american jobs, despite accepting a cool 10 million from the state of Illinois for tax credits. They only care about lining their own pockets.
Many companies thought this a have stopped because when time, rework and support were calculated in it didn't save money. Quality and customer service took a downward turn.
I believe this to be a simple decision based on financial. Offshore rates are a fraction of US rates, even if you factor in rework. Follett is strictly moving to the lowest cost provider. It is not a reflection of skills regardless of where they were educated or live.
I wonder if the board will figure out they've turned over IT to people who hate them.
In which case I would seriously dislike the individual, but focus on the incompetence. And since you aren't in my shoes, you can't judge how bad the atmosphere is where I am.
"I'm more concerned with poor performance". You are not in some peoples shoes and the atmosphere does not encourage a culture that produces good performance. The fact that being an American makes us (I won't repeat what I have heard) is going to have an affect performance especially considering the level of incompetency from the source.
I do understand. It doesn't matter. I can't control that, but it doesn't make the consultants responsible for the decisions made by senior management. Being from another country doesn't globally make them bad people. If they hate Americans, that's not my problem. I've seen the bigotry, and it doesn't bother me. We don't have to be best friends. I'm more concerned with poor performance.
You don't understand. Its the opposite of what your are thinking, many are bigots against Americans, do you get the picture now?
There is no question that there has been a major change for the worse at Follett, but that does not mean we should take it out on the consultants. Keep in mind that the consultants did not make any of the decisions that we are complaining about. They were hired to do a job. The results may be less than optimal but that has nothing to do with their nationality and a lot to do with senior management's lack of planning and business knowledge.
Since when has the new regime in the past few years been concerned about being disrespectful of age and other discrimination? Now the environment is anti-American generally.
It doesn't matter who is saying/thinking that type of thing. It is disrespectful, unnecessary and unproductive and needs to stop.
Excuse me but that is the thinking and attitude of the consultants here towards the rest of us, "white hoods" but they'll take money from our system won't they?
Time to settle down a little. It has nothing to do with white hoods. Yes, there are good and bad engineers of all nationalities. Unfortunately, it is more complicated than that. It takes time to understand the business and the customer's needs. Throwing new people at a project without the proper understanding of what needs to be accomplished guarantees failure. We have added a large number of people at various levels who don't understand what needs to be accomplished and who don't understand the development process. In this case, we happen to have added a large number of people from India, but the problem is not the nationality of the developers. The failures started at the top and cascaded down.
Its a mess. They have thrown money at a problem and new internal/eternal hires who have limited understanding due to lack of experience in this business and other areas.
So for field people, what all has happened? news hasn't reached the frontier in any capacity so many are grasping at straws.
Sorry you are misinformed. If that were true US students would be going to schools in India. That's is not the case and the stats are there to prove it. The US has some of the best schools in the world and produces the best in all disciplines of computer sciences.
Below is a listing of the top 20 countries which, as of the latest bimonthly update of Essential Science Indicators:
1 USA 202,141 1,115,430 5.52
2 JAPAN 66,882 237,154 3.55
3 GERMANY 46,643 231,381 4.96
4 ENGLAND 47,910 227,272 4.74
5 PEOPLES R CHINA 64,435 201,881 3.13
6 FRANCE 38,455 186,951 4.86
7 CANADA 34,015 149,229 4.39
8 ITALY 33,372 146,901 4.4
9 TAIWAN 27,786 96,036 3.46
10 SOUTH KOREA 30,013 91,955 3.06
11 SPAIN 21,025 88,569 4.21
12 AUSTRALIA 17,407 81,127 4.66
13 NETHERLANDS 13,727 74,175 5.4
14 INDIA 23,382 68,534 2.93
15 SWITZERLAND 10,481 67,600 6.45
16 RUSSIA 22,847 58,059 2.54
17 SWEDEN 10,608 57,944 5.46
18 BELGIUM 8,999 49,792 5.53
19 SINGAPORE 11,744 48,797 4.16
20 TURKEY 11,962 41,586 3.48
SOURCE: Essential Science Indicators from Thomson Reuters.
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What part, if any, are defects due to one's national origin? Unless you enjoy burning Ts with white hooded friends, there is no correlation. Crap code is written stateside by engineers educated and trained right here. Meanwhile India educates and trains some fine engineers capable of write excellent code. The reverse is true, too. The issue is leadership, not labor. Follett's leadership wouldn't know quality employees if they came labeled as such. In fact, they'd conclude that quality employees cost more and therefore needed to be fired. This is the leadership team who wiped out long tenured, full time, front line staff in the name of improving service. The issue isn't Indian engineers. The issues is lame corporate leadership.
The are moving their core business and knowledge base to another country. Consider Follett an Indian company now. They shouldn't be getting sales from US taxpayers financial aid.
Do you think that IT management would have the offshore teams reviewing the code long before they ever announce anything? I don't think the goal is to rewrite all application so some will go as is. I don't trust them. Could explain all the trips to India when financials are poor.
I thought you were coding a new application. You have nobody to blame but yourself.
'Difficult to transition" what a ridiculous excuse. Developing new code it is based on objectives and functionality documents not code. What kind of approach is that? Totally backwards.
@43397 what a crock. How long has the outsourcing group been working on it? You are full of it.
It is due to the lack of skill that it is being passed to. Once again the current leadership plays the blame again instead of taking aaccountability.
Existing code at Follett is poor. Difficult to transition to offshore requiring more time by offshore team.
How's the family and friends back home SS?
Development will come back here when the weight of unusable applications come crashing down on them.
When the IT applications have been sent offshore, then we go home.
When are all of you going home for good?
Are you going home for Diwali?