Reading through the latest comments/topics it makes me sad, as an EM employee I don’t feel the same way. I question the people who are quietly quiting, or hating management/culture so much why not just go find a job role with a company that is a better fit? Life is too short to be so unhappy and allow this feeling to continue.
Ever since I joined the company I have continued to build my experience / skills / personal development - I would never have had the same opportunities elsewhere. It has its flaw, some views/behaviors I don’t agree with but I’m willing to put in the work to help create the right change.
I’m excited about the future, and would love to hear from people who feel the same opposed to the constant negativity.
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Please explain how you know so much about this site and who posts here. What makes you an expert? Are you an LTA manager that is thankful because the company hasn’t figured out your ways and you’re trying to protect your host?
@OP Most of the people on here are trolls or bitter former employees who likely deserved to be PIP'ed. I agree with you entirely. Ok basement dwellers, click on that down arrow. I want to set a record!
@ayxs+1lepRYbB
From what you write it shows that you don’t understand who is now the “technical leadership”. That used to be, in an informal way, the group of highly experienced technical people, even if they didn’t have any formal titles.
Today, not only that those people are gone (I was lucky to retire), but there’s a formal “technical leadership”, consisting of Advisors, Principals, Senior Principals and Chiefs. All of these are exclusively sponsored people who always got softball assignments and know only how to talk, not to work (just as you mentioned about the Chief). And these people are the only (fake) “technical” people whose jobs are not moving to BTC.
@OP since it is a great place in your mind, pass along to your friends the job openings and see what they say? Make sure you pass along the comments from this site and post, along with all the “meaningful, insightful and encouraging words” from the “wise leadership” they mindlessly state in meetings so they get a balanced perspective.
Honestly, for example which experienced geoscientist is going to come in this mess where there is no technical understanding of what should be done. They’ll just be signing up for a few years of being dumped on, trying to mentored talentless drones, and put up with clueless management before they are let go themselves. Go ask the great technical staff who got laid off or PIP’d and see what they say about coming back.
@5erk+1lepRYbB Just one comment. What you call "technical leadership" is almost completely gone. There are very very few of us still left in the company and we see so many new hires in desperate need of technical guidance. We see them everywhere, not only in North America. These new hires don't know what to do or which way to turn. They don't know who to ask or how things work. THEY NEED MENTORING. But, the people with experience have been laid off through the force ranking, or they resigned pi---d off by the ranking system. The situation in the technical side of the corporation is to bad, really terminal, that we even have a CHIEF that is younger than 40 years old!!! How did that happen? She has no experience in anything and still she made it to CHIEF. This would have never ever happened in the Exxon I joined decades ago. Anyway, I'll be retiring soon. I am done here. Good luck to you all.
OP, we know perfectly well that nobody, even a new hire, is that stupid or naive. You’ve got the wrong site - these days the deep brown nosing is done on LI, and you get (very) brownie points for it.
You’ve also posted additional responses to your own thread, but just think a little: everybody knows EM is transferring about 10% of its jobs a year to India, leaving only the management and “technical leadership” here. Do you really think somebody will believe you at a time like this? If they do, they deserve what’s coming. Not to mention the hotdesking, which is a supremely demented way to add insult to injury. I could give you another 100 things that make up the toxic environment in this company, but once you mention the ones above, what’s the point? And no, I don’t work at EM anymore, I’ve recently retired and rejoined the normal world.
Early career person? I was once told decades ago that is “why I did not have THE attitude yet” - by another EM person. I thought they were just not a happy person in general. Always good ranking and salary treatment……until I hit 50. Spoke to a mentor and they asked my age and replied “yeah, that’s about usually when this happens”. I was hired in the hood old days, and something’s were still known. The environment declined drastically just in the last decade. Once I left my spouse said I became a new person. Don’t sell your happiness, health and family life for a check.
#movedonandhappy
I am here because I have prostituted myself to a paycheck long enough that I am one year away from a pension. I would leave today if I was wealthy enough not to worry about putting food on the table for the rest of my life.
@1vgo Wow. You stated the case well. Thanks.
I ask myself every day why I stay in such a toxic place. It is many reasons but mostly it comes down to 5 years away from retirement and some days I think that still isn’t enough for me to stay.
I have worked for 2 other Fortune 100 companies and they have their faults but nothing like this place. I knew this place was toxic from the beginning but 2020/2021 was off the charts. Managers were put in a position that they had to run off people to fill a quota (8%). For many of the managers with a conscience this was too much and they left the company because they still had enough career left to go somewhere else. 2020/2021 was brutal because we let great people go just to meet unrealistic targets. We let so many good people go that we hired replacements and many of those people were not near as good but probably cheaper.
Things have improved over the past year in my world but but I can’t unsee what I saw. The top management has revealed itself and what they are willing to do to enrich themselves. How can I trust them? It is still the same people at the top who have meetings with big smiles and talking about how great things are. I don’t know how they live with themselves. It would eat me up inside.
I just keep my head down and work hard and hope that I can keep from making a mistake or saying something wrong that would cause me to lose in the PIP Lottery. Although, sometimes I also wish that my number would come up and put me out of my misery and allow me to move on.
I am not a malcontent that is just imagining things.
Also, to think that there are just a handful of people that are discontented is not true. I have access to a broad swath of people at many sites and many levels. To a person, if you talk to them, there is deep seated resentment.
@2vvy+1lepRYbB It’s sad how managers (or wannabe managers) like you come here and try to justify the unprofessional behaviors of a small cabal of psychopaths that are destroying a once great company. Grow up!
EM2019,
In January 2020, we had 75,000 regular employees worldwide. By the end of 2023, we will have approximately 50,000 regular employees. That is a 33% reduction in the workforce in three years or an OPEX savings of $9 billion US dollars according to our executive management committee.
If you buy into the corporate public relations message that we only hire the best and brightest around the world, why did we need to tell 33% of our regular employees worldwide that they are not a long-term cultural fit for our corporation? Why did we put 8% of the regular employees each year for three years into a "Needs Significant Improvement" performance bucket?
We should have reduced management by 33% over three years since they chose to hire people that they no longer consider the "best and brightest" in our industry.
So let’s buy your story about all of us here being such a bad performers and XOM being such a great company. Then how come XOM has a such a bad ratings at Glassdoor and a gazillion comments like “bad culture”? Less than a half of people would recommend it to a friend, why is that?
Goal of this site is to make you think hating your company makes you the majority. Most who post on this site are terrible performers who have become bitter because they can't look in the mirror. The other companies on layoff see the same fate. I just come for the entertainment and a reminder that these toxic trolls work along side us.
Let’s reverse the question:
What, if anything, about ExxonMobil do you see as being defensible or otherwise worthy of positive regard?
If you don’t have a simple and available answer that isn’t tied to compensation, then you already know the answer to your original question.
Xom is a good job. Nice pay and benefits, and many can stay there for life. Plenty of pay and flexibility to live a great life by any readonable standard.
Anyone who believed they couldn't be fired or laid off is sadly a su---r. But, would it really have changed your course in life so much to know it was possible? There is more to life than your job.
If you don't become an executive, you're either not lucky enough or not as talented as you think. Xom Can't be a company of executives.
Good luck finding peace yall.
Wait OP you are coming to a layoff site wondering why it’s negative? Then yo7 act like your 4 different people trying to defend Exxonmobil and expect folks are d-mb enough not to figure out what you’re doing? You need to stay on the intranet because leg humping and bootlicking dint fly outside of Exxonmobil where folks can be honest.
@1rob+1lepRYbB I am on the same boat. They promised me a different career. They promised me opportunities. They promised me career growth. But, I was never given a shot at anything. I never had my chance of doing something big. Like one executive once told me: "just do your fu----g job". All these useless high potential people get opportunities. They fu-k up badly but somebody is protecting them and they aren't fired. In the meantime, productive people like me (I'm highly ranked in my group and been promoted many times) are told just do your job. How about a chance at doing something for the company? Something that has impact? Never a chance. I'm tired of waiting. I'm searching for another job right now. It's still very hard to accept that this is how ExxonMobil ends. This is it. Just one fu----g mo--n CEO and a 130 year old company goes under like that. Just one id--t. Good luck to you all.
The actions of our pathetic “leaders” over the last few years have saddened me, as well. My heart sank after learning that a respected colleague that was near retirement and who’s spouse was terminally ill was needlessly PIP’d. I was saddened to learn of another colleague that was heartlessly layed off while in the hospital after nearly losing her life and her unborn child’s in a car accident. I was saddened after witnessing multiple talented individuals being PIP’d simply to fill some quota. I was saddened while watching decades of talent being forced out with woefully inadequate severance packages. I was angry that our executives awarded themselves multimillion $$$ stock packages immediately prior to the mass PIP offs and layoffs while suspending 401k match for those that remained. I’m angry that inept managers continue to get rewarded and promoted after making billion dollar mistakes. I’m angry that management is destroying the company. I’m angry that they are forcing us to hot desk while they build their ivory tower in the energy center complete with private offices, restrooms and a gym. I’m angry that they continue to lie to us about their plans to move jobs to India while asking us to train our replacements. I could go on and on , but I think I’ve made my point. Enjoy your weekend.
@OP; truth be known, the real reason I am still here is because my Resumé has the stink of ExxonMobil in it, so no one will want me.
Heck, pretty sure even the non-profits won't hire me even if I offer to work for free!
I actually have hope for the company, maybe misplaced optimism. I just cannot understand how we cannot see and fix our REAL problems. …and if we try, it usually requires a 5 year study, a 5 year implementation…and then mid-implementation, we decide another study is needed. Remember the ‘brutal truth’ presentations circulated 6 years ago. Have any of those items really been tackled?
It is slowly maddening to see the potential, and see that no one is doing the right things to fix it….in fact, some of the current decisions could make it worse. It is not clear that is a reason to quit, for me. However, it is a reason to keep that decision on the periphery of my options AND helping the organization to stop sugar-coating their whole existence.
The negativity here is awful. Some people’s comments are just intended to hurt others, and I really hope they no longer work for the company. However, occasionally someone says something insightful that makes me think. And sometimes I get real useful information that the company won’t give me directly. So yes, it is worth reading the garbage for the good bits.
OP takes golden showers and Cleveland steamers from Durwood
The OP is another corporate shill/bootlicker. They’ve been showing up and swamping the site with counter-points ever since talk of unionizing started.
Don’t worry OP, the the executive class you’re defending will throw you under the bus without a second thought, as most of them are on the psychopath-spectrum, and thus feel no sense of loyalty to empathy.
How long have you been in the company?
It is true that some people find growth. Those are the mediocre generalists soulless brainless regurgitators. When you come to the company with an empty brain, it is very easy to find growth.
Independent critical thinkers and experts that have a SOUL are those who suffer the most.
This page is telling the truth...once you get older and more expensive they will come after you like heat seeking missiles. Speaking of heat, I'm heating my desk up for the joys of hot desking
The company told me I’d have a life long career. So, I gave up 2 decades working here in EMDC. It was great until DW and his goons took over, but now I’m stuck.
Now I feel like I’m just waiting to the company to fire me. Whether it’s from a fake, poor performance assessment or they move my job to india to save a buck.
I feel like I’ve got the right to be angry. I was sold a bill of goods and received something else entirely different.
To make it worse, the company continues to lie to employees about the long term shift of work to India. Anyone that is a part of company plan knows it’s much more dramatic than your VPs are telling you!
I’m summary… old lies and new lies keep me on here.
Just wait until you reach retirement age and see what happens to your performance evaluation... You'll be glad to retire. I did.
I’ve worked for companies prior to EM, therefore have experience of what bad looks like. As mentioned it’s not perfect - however the reason I left other companies was if it wasn’t a good fit, it wasn’t making me feel good etc. I ensured I didn’t bi--h about it constantly on a website but did something about it.
The comment about performance, that’s true I haven’t suffered a bad performance but I have certainly received feedback I didn’t agree with, or in times I needed to hear therefore did something about it.
Also, I’m not in HR nor P&GA
You obviously have yet to be given a negative performance assessment feedback you didn't deserve Nor have been around long enough to see your less deserving peers promoted far beyond their competence level.
Ohhh to be young and naive again!
There is nothing positive about layoffs. Get it?
I agree. EM is a good place to work if you aren’t toxic. Go find another job and stop bringing everyone else down.
EM2019,
You must be with Human Resources (what's left of H/R) or with Public Relations. Both groups are living in denial regarding ExxonMobil's professional treatment of their employees.