The biggest loss in a layoff is losing your Healthcare. If we had universal Healthcare you could go work anywhere for a paycheck and it wouldn't hurt so bad. Hanging the healthcare carrott over our heads is what allows companies to keep us scared to leave or be let go.
I've never thought universal healthcare was a good idea but this has opened my eyes. Not having it keeps us scared, stuck, and deters us from taking a leap for a potentially better opportunity elsewhere.
One thing I never could abide about verizon.... all the dam co-mies!
I just finished Mao's Little Red Book. What an eye opener! I can't wait to see what Mondavi does for our city. I bet he'll open government run hospitals in addition to the government run grocery stores. Then you'll see...
Check with our Canadian neighbors how that's working out. Six months or so to see a referred specialist and a year or so to get surgery scheduled along with extreme taxes.
No, we need health insurance that isn't tied to the employer.
It needs to be portable, competitive, affordable.
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We wouldn't want any pesky competition driving doctors to provide the best care possible
@ar- what a great idea!!! That's a wonderful way to identify the social deviants that do not prioritize the success of the collective. It will be easy to identify who needs to go to a reeducation camp!
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Everyone has to be paying into it for it to have a chance of working. Universal- get it? Also, if you have two competing systems you introduce competition to the healthcare workers. This will cause stress that will negatively impact the workers ability to provide care.
As a wise friend of mine once said, "You can't eat Benefits!"
I never understood why this was a debate with no shades of gray. Why can't we have an option? Choose not to be taxed heavily and get no access to universal healthcare or get taxed heavily , have some sort of identifier or checks/balances to validate that, and avail of a government run heavily subsidized healthcare system, while understanding that there would be delays/restrictions similar to what Europeans and Canadians face?
I would readily be in the second category of being taxed just as many on this thread would choose the first category. For those saying I can avoid the taxes and just pay insurance companies for a safety net insurance and let's get rid of the ACA, the reality is insurance companies are under no obligation to do the right thing. Pre-existing conditions without someone forcing them..forget about it. I would rather have the government enforcing certain things, and would prefer a choice.
@an you sound just as ignorant as the people that say communism has always failed because it hasn't been executed properly.
@ah You are completely clueless. Obamacare did nothing but increase health coverage costs across the board for both public and private plans. Health care and health coverage are two completely different things that most don't understand because the two terms have been perverted by universal care advocates.
'The 42-day federal shutdown forced by Democrats thrust the economics of Obamacare into the limelight, and exposed an uncomfortable truth: An insurance industry whose executives are increasingly liberal donors has seen its earnings soar with the injection of taxpayer-funded subsidies that propped up Barack Obama’s signature health program from collapse.
The nation’s largest health insurance companies have seen good business since Obamacare was first passed in 2010 and fully implemented in 2014. This has come in no small part because of federal government subsidies to the insurance industry, which government estimates show totaled $1.8 trillion in 2023 alone."
And there you have it.
@ak the problem is that we are comparing ourselves to countries that are far poorer than us and don’t have the healthcare infrastructure that we do. Also these countries have ALWAYS had universal healthcare so the policies on it are extremely dated. Where as America could introduce new policies while establishing it to learn from their mistakes.
I pay $400 a month for me and my son. If I could pay $400 more per month in taxes, but NOT pay any co-pays, deductibles, etc. I would take that. Then when my son had to have surgery I wouldn’t have had to pay the $8,000 I had to pay just to have my child not potentially get sick and die. Which then drastically impacted us financially.
If you are strong enough to survive not having healthcare and smart enough to achieve a status to afford healthcare, then you have the genetic stock that deserves healthcare. Bleeding heart healthcare programs undermine the natural order.
I know people who come from England for our Healthcare. They pay for private insurance here.
I also know Canadians who say their Healthcare su-ks.
Ill take my current usa healthcare way before universal healthcare. Ive just never heard anything great about it except from Americans who think its a good idea, yet never had it.
Ask a Canadian to show you their paycheck and see what they pay in taxes for free healthcare. Your jaw will drop.
That’s the d-mbest response I’ve heard. If it takes 6 weeks on universal then it would take the same on private. The way they get paid doesn’t impact their speed, that’s because of their infrastructure.
In fact, in America, there is only about 8% of the population uninsured. So the extra people getting healthcare in general would be insignificant. We’re already paying for 140+ Million Americans to have healthcare, why not the rest of us?
Plus it would actually speed up your wait times because you don’t have large private healthcare companies telling you what’s in-network and not, everywhere would be forced to take universal healthcare. So you don’t have Regence telling 30+% of a city you have to go to this provider.
And the impact on the economy is pretty drastic with how much money people save long term. Then you have the amount of people willing to leave jobs without fear, plus companies can’t use it as a bargaining chip, so they have to find other benefits such as increased vacation, pay, etc. to compete..
Obamacare was NOT universal healthcare. It was healthcare subsidies AND it still helps SO MANY people every year save money on healthcare because Americans pay the HIGHEST prescription and healthcare costs in the WORLD!
I think you should do more research.
@ac+1ka418kks this is the correct answer. I have many friends in Canada and other European countries that have universal healthcare. None are happy when they have to wait months and even years for care. And while they don't have insurance premiums to pay, they have some pretty big taxes to cover it. Some of the Canadians actually come into the US for care because the wait is too long for them. Health care should not be for-profit.
@ab It really depends on what is wrong with you when you present to the ER. If you are bleeding out, having a heart attack, stroke symptoms, any life threatening issue there will be no wait. Broken bones, flu, need stitches then yes, take a number.
Why is it that we had no problem with healthcare, costs, etc. up until the late 70’s. Every time the government gets involved the costs go up. Ask a Dr in Europe how much is their malpractice insurance or how many times are they threatened with a lawsuit compared to the Drs here in the U.S.
@a2 there are people who go to ER and get treated for free. But the hospitals and health care providers recoup those costs by increasing their rates through insurance. So we all pay for them. Illegals got free healthcare. Again, we end up paying for it
My parents moved to Europe over a decade ago and have free to low cost healthcare. They still come here annually for specialist visits because it takes months to do what it takes a week to do here. Socialized healthcare is great when you don’t have any issues🥴
@a9 the last 3 times I was unfortunate enough to be in the ER my wait was 12 hours, 8 hours, 12 hours. We're already their brother without having universal healthcare.
Get the illegals out and stop wasteful BS NGO funding then there will be plenty of money for healthcare .
Sounds good now because you have a possibility of losing your job but if you want to wait 3 weeks for a blood test and 6 weeks for a xray or wait in the emergency room hallway for days without seeing a doctor then go for it America is America if you want socialized medicine go to those countries to live and see how you like it I’m staying here
@a1 Cite sources please else leave. Why did Obamacare fail? Why did the Dems close the government as they sought more Obamacare funding through subsidies? Why are people paying for their own coverage yet subsidizing the cost of Obamacare at the same time? The Affordable Care Act - LMAO. Please go live in one of those universal healthcare countries for a few years and do report back.
@a4 actually a well paid conservative republican that has seen the light on healthcare. You will wake up one day.
@a4 Nice cogent argument, jackwad. Why not try explaining your position?
@a2 Not just the poor. The government shutdown because of healthcare premiums going up. Anyone in vz management pays way higher rates for healthcare than the people the dems shutdown the government for. We're all getting sc--wed with 20% increases every year.
Couldn't agree more. Trouble is that half the working class people of this country are brainwashed by certain media into thinking that the politicians who want to give us this are Bolsheviks. Meanwhile Elon Musk, on his way to a trillion dollars in net worth, is going to put his DOGE crown on and decide if our SS and Medicare are "wasteful."
The "greatest country in the world" and we don't provide Universal Health Care. Americans truly lack compassion for the poor.
Universal health care is proven to lead to people taking more risk with being aggressive in finding better job opportunities. Also incentivizes people to start more businesses.
The amount of increases in taxes under certain plans would be less then what you pay annually in deductibles and copays with the top 1% shouldering most the responsibility.
Im all for it!