Thread regarding U.S. Bank layoffs

@bh Have you contacted your congressman, senator or state attorney general? What have you done besides venting here?

@b5 It wasn't a "perk" for me, it was common f***ing sense, something this MC is sorely lacking. Otherwise, I'd have just been occupying space in another business line's building (as I am now) that could have been used by, imagine this, a new hire working specifically with that business line and supporting THEIR needs! I may as well be working for the Maxwell House division of Kraft and sitting in the same office as the Trident Gum team for all the collaborative opportunities.

You may think 3 days only in office is a "gift," but for a lot of us we just got f***ed by proximity. No ability to negotiate higher pay for a commute we never expected, nothing. Sitting in an office space we simply do not belong in, common logo or not. So yes, I will loudly complain and wait for the job market to improve to a point I can finally leave this mismanaged sh-tshow.

@be Please come up with a solution to end all this unfairness. I am all ears. I have complained in the survey and submitted questions to Gunjan in the town hall telling her how it is demoralizing. She didn’t change her mind. Not sure what the next steps should be. Talk to a lawyer? Start a petition? Protest outside the office? What about forming a union? How many employees would agree to do all these things to really make a difference? My wife works at Wells Fargo, and they are going through the same thing. Maybe we can join forces with them. Please explain to me what can be done as I am sure you have spent a great deal of time researching this and have all the answers. I remember when a few mentioned going to the news media. How did that work out? Maybe if thousands of us contacted the news media all over the country. Would you be willing to lead the charge? You could create a website dedicated to bringing Gunjan to her senses.

@bh and they changed their policy…nothing lasts forever. May not be ideal, likely isn’t, but they shifted their policy and it just is what it is…. None of us are required to stay here. It su-ks but yall gotta get over it at some point and just accept the reality of the situation. Life ain’t fair.

@ak If sued? Why don’t you sue them?

So what. Go to work like the rest of us…or don’t.

@b5 telling people to stop complaining about RTO would be justified if remote work at US Bank only started during Covid. It didn’t. People were working remotely for years. People took remote jobs at US Bank with being remote part of their overall decision making process and have been successful in their positions for years.

Teams are across many locations because US Bank used to determine whether a position was remote or in office based on the common sense requirements of the position not on this outdated approach. It’s like we’ve gone way backward in time and it makes no sense.

Even if we have to deal with it until finding another role, that doesn’t mean we have to accept it as making any sense. We have the right to call BS when they keep spouting about an in-office culture when teams are spread around geographically and everyone has to be on Teams calls anyway.

It’s completely ridiculous. And we are being gaslit and told that it is somehow more efficient, but lied to when we ask for them to explain exactly how.

That’s why it will NEVER go away as a topic.

@b5 Also, a cut is never a perk. Some of us were hired into remote positions that had nothing to do with Covid. It was done that way because it was by far the most productive and made the most sense. Making something materially worse for both the company and the employee is never a perk.

@b5 That's a stupid argument. Imagine if they cut our pay in half, would you say complaining about it would just cause them to cut it in half again?

A company can only ** around it's employees so long and so far.

@OP sick of hearing about RTO BS…having the option of still working home a couple days is a perk. Enjoy because eventually it is going to go back to five days per week. Everyone continuing to bi--h about it is going to cause the head honchos to get rid of WFH completely for most BLs

@at that's not accurate. The original instructions were "3 or more days per week" and PTO days were deducted from that. That was at some point put in writing although they've since removed it.

The new change of calculating PTO days off total available instead of it office days in a change. And the new "over 0.6" instead of "0.6 or more" is a direct, deliberate, and mathematically objective change to the original requirement as well.

Sure in practice it's a much smaller charge than the PTO change for example, but it's also more ethically damning since they easily could have said "0.6 or more" to be consistent with prior guidance. They changed it and then directly said it's retroactive.

I don't even care if it's illegal or not (it is but whatever), it's clearly and unambiguously unethical.

@ak The official message from the top is that the guidance has been consistent and unchanged since april/july 2024. Although we all know that in practice that has not been the case.

Basically, their strategy is to keep things as vague and ambiguous as possible. That's why there is no actual RTO policy. It's all just we-ponized incompetence from the top down.

We are led by some of the most morally reprehensible creatures on the planet.

@ag it is absolutely illegal to change employment goals used for bonuses retroactively.

If you tell a salesperson their bonus is based on hitting X amount, and then on December 30 you change it to a higher Y amount and apply it retroactively, that abosolutely is illegal.

This is the exact same thing in kind, just not in degree.

I suspect the bank, if sued, will just claim they don't intend to use it retroactively. But they said otherwise on the meeting.

@a4 "illegal", lol

You're the last to know

Old news

Is this change small to the point of trivial? Yes.
Is this change also a bright line example of something clearly unethical and even illegal? Also yes.

It's like stealing a dollar from someone's purse. Small, but also uncontrovertibly wrong.

Bottom line is how much it says about our current leadership.

That change was announced at an enterprise level on April 8, Sherlock.