Looks like they started terminating people who "didn't follow the WFH Policy". They announced another one on a call yesterday. Director level. I was hoping the "have to work in an office for absolutely no reason" would have died down by now and we could all go back to being productive. Guess not.
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3jfj- The stupidest thing I ever read is your opinion on this matter or maybe your resume. You have no clue. The policy came out Oct 31. That was not the due date to report. I also have to assume you were not smart enough to have read the policy but not just heard about it on your smoke break with the boys. No WFH is permitted without an exemption to the policy which has been submitted and still not approved nor denied. Directed by Management and HR to continue working until further guidance is given. As for insubordination goes, that tingling feeling in your a$$ is my insubordination.
I do get it. If I lay back and keep working from home, they may just decide to give severance as I know they are looking at it. Either way, I was told be in an office no later than last Nov 30 and I'm still WFH and getting paid. I have everything in order to retire but why pull that lever early? They continue to pay me do until I'm forced to get to a site, I won't. So yes I do get IT
They are enforcing WFH. Seems they negotiate on exact exit date but several I know are by March 31. I am sure Dave want a solid quarter for his last time. Then expect Darris to really crack down to show he can deliver even more than Dave. I expect more strict WFH like no conference calls from home at all even if they start at 6:30am
5gyd, do you not get it? Every person who has refused to comply with the revocation of the WFH policy has had FIVE MONTHS to make a decision about what they will do. They have blatantly ignored the 'report to your site by October 31' mandate that he/she had requested. That is insubordination. You tell me one other company where you can pull a stunt like that for five months. All of the employees who have continued to WFH deserves to be terminated with cause and without severance. THAT is the right thing to do. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to grow up, get over it, and move on!
I think he's spot on with give severance and move on, it's the right thing to do. Thus company changed its policy effecting many families, why shouldn't thrust try to ease the blow by providing assistance ?
When an employee relocated for s job within Honeywell, they give relocation thus I'd no difference
3jfj, you said "we should have given an ultimatum to report by a certain date or separate with severance and move on".
I hate Honeywell. I think it's a terrible company with only asp-kissing yes men in leadership positions, but I think your statement above is the stupidest things I have ever read.
To the first part of your statement, 'we should have been given an ultimatum to report by a certain date', you were told to report to your site by October 31, 2016.
To the second part of your statement 'or separate with severance and move on', PLEASE tell me about all of the other companies that I can work for where you can be insubordinate for five months and still get paid!
You've had five months to figure out what you want to do. In that amount of time, you could have found a new job with a different company that allows you to work from home, or you could have found housing closer to your site, but you chose neither because you think the elimination of working from home is dumb. Yet, you still want to push back, AND claim you deserve severance?
Let me put this into terms that I hope you can understand: you are the reason that Ronald Reagan had no business closing all of the state psychiatric hospitals in the 1980s. If you don't understand, you are also the reason that the Medicaid bill of the 1960s should have never become law.
My manager is playing stupid like she's not aware of anything going on.
It's sad that any of them will be up front and the slight bit honest with us .
I may be giving my manager too much credit as she's probably not plus if dumb.
Please pass along any updates as they occur, as I too am WFH but not sure how much longer
My manager was asked some new questions about me today with respect to my WFH situation. I wasn't given any indication what they were, but this is another indication that things are winding up with HR on this issue soon.
As you get an answer, please post your result for the rest of us to know.
I hear you but after 35 years, I hate to leave 6 mos. severance on the table.
I'll retire either way so I'm getting paid for every day I WFH.
Might be a life decision for you guys but Honeywell doesn't give a crap about your life. You can't expect them to be reasonable. They lost that trait long ago.
The best you can do is find something else that works better for you then give them the notice and tell them to gtfo.
In our darkest days we get the motivation to do our best for us. Your goal should be to get out asap. Don't wait on them to make a decision, you might be dissappointed.
That is spot on. This is a life decision and should be handled with respect and offer a severance package and allow us to stop this insane expectation to drive hours and hours per week. Not to speak about every other day filling my gas tank and taking huge risk of accidents driving through a very large city twice each day.
From the big picture perspective, most of us have been Formally Telecommuting for years and it has been working. Now we are faced with a policy that bans this and in some cases are requested to report to a facility that is a ridiculous distance away. I know things change and quite simply we should have given an ultimatum to report by a certain date or separate with severance and move on, that is the right thing to do and maybe they will. For me, this is a life decision not a job decision. Right now I am hoping for severance and going to Plan B. Thoughts?
I hope they settle this soon with a reasonable policy. My HW career is hanging by one slender thread and I know dozens of people in the same situation. Job market is good and there are healthy companies competing for talent now.
I'm at engines site for 17 years and s band 4. It's always in a separate depodit in March.
@3pmy. Ok I've been band 4 for 5 years in aero and mip has never been lump sum. Always spread out over 12 months. Weird. What group are you with that gets a lump sum?
Does anybody have any info when the work from home cases will be resolved and action taken for the holdouts due to long commutes? Severance package in work maybe?
MIP is lump sum not spread out unless thus is something new.
If the nearest site is a ridiculous distance away and local level HR agrees it is entirely unreasonable and I declined the offer, will I get severance? It will be more driving than working. I am still working from home and waiting.
If you resign prior to MIP payout you will not get it. You have to be here to get MIP. Payout is March 10. If the company terminates you after review but prior to payout you may be out of luck - not reporting to the site could be deemed insubordination or you refusing your assignment.
@2sef. I don't think you will get your mip if you resign because it's not given in a lump sum, it is spread out over the next 12 months paychecks. If you resign/quit/terminate you will not get it.
I could be wrong tho? Anyone else want to chime in?
My manager told me my upcoming review has no correlation with my WFM noncompliance situation due to an unreasonable location reassignment. My review will address my performance and merit increase and will not be used to discuss policy. If HR wants to discuss policy they can come to us.
Reviews are starting so let's see what happens during reviews. Not sure how much time one can buy by saying you won't drive to site but every day us one more day if pay.
Also once you're given review, if you resign, do you still get your MIP? You should as that's already been awarded for last years performance, ideas?
Travel miles? No I asked and was told I am "assigned" to that location so the mikes to and from doesn't count. It's my desire to live far from work.
Is it true that you can submit an expense for miles reimbursement? Personally I have not done any request yet. But if you think it doesn't sound crazy. After all we have been asked to do this for business reasons.
I just got a cube assigned. Will have to drive 2 hours to sit there just like many others. Looking to get out of here ASAP.
Could they be waiting for review to tell us or put us on a PIP?
I'm fine either way as I'm not driving 2 hrs to sit in a cube.
Still wondering about severance. If none, it's leave the same day they fire me.
FYI.... Honeyhell does not give out reason for leaving Honeyhell , they only provide service dates, not condition of employment,
Since they are working on a time line any info on the separation date for the noncompliant WFH people?
heard all noncompliant cases were to be resolved or go to morris plains for high level discussion by feb 15; lots of HR scrambling in the last week; could never get an answer on severance or no severance although asked several times
Same thing here. I fired my silver bullet a couple days ago. Hope this is resolved sooner than later...
I was required to give a decision to HR on my WFH status. Either comply and drive 2 hours each way to an office that I know nobody, or be non-compliant. I told HR I am going to be non-compliant. I am still waiting to find out the fallout. I have been a full time teleworker for over 10 years. Please let us know if you hear of decisions. I would love to find out if this Director was terminated with severance or not.
Same here 2+ hour drive one way...still WFH waiting on decision.
I'm in that group of cases. Still waiting for decision however still WFH
I spoke with HR recently and my Formal Telecommuting Agreement has been revoked. If you have one you want to reach out to HR to confirm. Also formal WFH employees that have not reported have been identified and reviewing these cases. Most have reported but a few have not due to extreme distance or cube not set up yet.
Agree but that is for the 2-3 times per year as stated by the policy. HR stated per the guideline no full time work is permitted and everyone must work in their assigned location. Some managers are strictly enforcing the occasional work from home some are more lax with it. Time will tell.
Pretty certain HR is not involved at all when requests to work from home are submitted in my group. I know of several people doing this. Is it on a discretionary basis? The emails we got on the subject were clear I think when they said all requests have to be submitted to our managers and to HR for approval.
I'm full time and nothing has been in writing after the notice came out last year.
HR has not notified me yet but I believe she's handling through my manager. Nothing from him either , I've been told there's no room in the inn.
"There was nothing like receiving a hummer during status meetings from the stay at home mom across the street." Now that's a great way to get a raise!
Has anyone that is full time WFH been told personally by HR or manager that if you don't report to an office you will face termination? Has anyone gotten any direction in writing?
There was nothing like receiving a hummer during status meetings from the stay at home mom across the street.
Has anyone gotten severance? If so they owe everyone that refuses to drive for hours a day the same benefit.
I'm still WFH but would rather get fired with a severance