I hope some of you still read this place occasionally.
Firstly, I'm wondering, what made you decide to quit? What was the final straw that made you go, okay, I'm done with this place?
And secondly, do you have any regrets about leaving Honeywell? Is the grass really greener or does it just seem so while we are still on the inside?
Just recently walked away from all of it! No amount of $$, benefits, vacation, or anything else deemed of value from HI was worth sticking around for! Haven’t found a job yet but am negotiating. Being offered wages that I made over 12 years ago but there is no price tag for peace of mind! There is life outside of Honeyhe//, and meaningful, enjoyable, fulfilling employment! You just have to go with what you know and do what you gotta do. AND IN YOUR GUT, YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN A BAD SITUATION. Good luck my friend!
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I miss you Troll King. aka Ray Ray.
The BS working holidays, the lack of benefits, the excessive hours, worthless 401k, lack of ethics from leadership
Seeing how suppliers are beat down and knowing that doesn't make for a sustainable business model
No regrets at all, 25% base pay raise, I am bonus eligible at my new employer (12.5%-25%) in addition to my retention bonus
I encourage everyone I still know at HON to get out, life is much better and enjoyable
I tell folks not to worry about quitting. There will be another "hangar meeting" in the future. Oh wait. Not enough people to fit well in the hangar. They'll just do it in the lunchroom.
Last straw, mandatory Saturday overtime and 10+ hour days. Retired after 34 years because I could. Never happier.
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Bobby Hill has no friends. FAKE NEWS!
I've been at hon 16 years and I'm still here. Three different jobs. Project engineer, manufacturing engineer and my current position. Always a band 3 senior engineer.
No promotions. I've always said working here is like working with your hands tied behind your back. No support from leadership. They always say,"escalate". I escalate so they can tell me what I already know. Then go and do it myself or just let it go until the s^$%t hits the fan. I too had a pip but I persevered the stupidity of that process and now the id–t's who put me on it have been fired or quit. I have had two good reviews since then. As good as it gets anyway. Block 5. Ive had two outstanding engineer awards and still never above block 5. Why am I still here? Because I still work from home 3 days a week. Maybe they will fire me but I've been doing it ever since the policy change and before. I had an agreement with my previous manager but he got let go during the stupid Hub sites thing. I've had an interim manager for the last year and we have never discussed the WFH. I'm sure he knows but I think he wants to keep me around. Thank for reading my rant. Here's to hoping for a severance package.
Decided to leave when I realized life is to short to waist time on Bop's, Biq's and CI quotas.
Only regret I have is missing the friends I no longer see anymore.
Really here much the same as many other have posted. Constance loss of benefits, to many 50+ hr weeks the final straw I was put into the elbow on the 9 block. I really wasn't happy for probably the last 3 + years I worked there. So about 4 months after my BS review I turned 62 YO and with 39 years working at various Aero facilities in the Phx area I sent my director an email letting him know that the 1st day of next month would be my last day and retired then which was 5 years ago. Really was a no brainer for me/us, my wife retired also a couple months after me she had 30 years. We had no financial need to work (thank God) so why work at a place where we were not happy even though we once considered ourselves so fortunate to be working at. We have certainly enjoyed the last 5 years of retirement.
If you climb the ladder (or swim the cesspool?), Honeywell comp is actually pretty strong. That said, it's absolutely not worth it. Even if you have a strong salary on paper, there are many ways that Honeywell leadership cheats you from your pay. Furloughs, benefit cuts, pension freezes, 401k cuts, no merit years, fake poor business performance years... There are many levers that those at the top use to cheat you from your stated total compensation.
And consider this: given the cost cutting, rationalization, and harvest strategy, your financial well-being is at far greater risk at Honeywell than elsewhere.
So yes, grass is greener, the trees are taller, the flowers are not withered, and the bushes are not intentionally thorny. 100% worth it to leave for your health, financial well-being, and job satisfaction.
I quit (settled with legal) 2 years ago over WFH policy change and that was after I had all the necessary sign offs to be able to WFH. I had 37 years, 59 yo, above standard reviews.
Happily retired, never went back to work with no regrets. Living life with no stress about spelling errors in power point slides or format issues my manager found and used it against us all every week. Terrible manager, would have been a great writing instructor snd she wanted us all to know it.
No regrets as well. Final straw was banning WFH. I was lucky enough to be making a bit more from my side business and was able to replace the income. It was nice having two incomes of $100k+, but it was so sad to see what HON had become. Cost cutting became top priority. Employees became a distant second. HON was special place before Cote took over, now it's become shareholders over anything else. Don't get me wrong, Cote made a lot of millions for the shareholders and did what he was supposed to do...get the stock price up. I just disagree with how he did it and what he had to give up. Families were hurt by his actions over the 15 or so years he was in control. I remember when healthcare was top of the line, Thanksgiving lunch/Turkeys, regular team outings/lunches, HON basketball league was awesome...Spring Picnics, Christmas show for the families, toys for the kids, supplemented lunches...it all went away. Now, healthcare is cheaper and better outside of HON...probably worst healthcare in the state of AZ at least. Now HON is one of the lowest paying employers in the state when it used to be the best and attract the best workers. Really sad to see...but...the WFH policy change is what finally did me in. It was all bearable when I only had to go in a few times a week...most people were miserable there...and when I had to go in every day it was unbearable to see. Great people I was around, but unappreciated and underpaid, I had to get out. Much Much happier now and hope everyone there eventually finds joy outside of that place. I had 17 years in at HON...I loved the company and was completely loyal...would I recommend working there to anyone? Heck no...
Hon and stress does take a toll on health. It sneaks up on you. I always to get outdoors and exercise but began to realize I was spending too much time working - at work and having to bring it home to keep up. The unending grind really caught up to me. Much happier after leaving, much better health. Similar job, now making little more. But with much less stress and more free time off of work. Hon leadership is taking advantage of employees - way too much work, to much pushing and no help form the boss. For me things really started to change at HON around 2012; I enjoyed it up until then. Laid off in 2016 - actually wanted the package so it worked for me. Don't spend your life being stressed out - it is costly.
After working as a full time fire fighter, to put out all of the garbage can fires on various programs at a time, which upper management continuously screwed the pooch on, my last straw was during the yearly performance review. After being given a 9 block rating of 4, I asked my manager why I was rated as a 4 instead of a 2 or 1. His response: "You didn't work enough overtime."
Quitting was the best decision that I ever made. So much happier now. Working where I am appreciated on a project (singular) that I enjoy, making $45k more a year for base salary, getting paid for OT, way less stress and BS to deal with, and at a company that actually appreciates their employees. What a novel concept.
Why did I leave, as the others said, Honeywell doesn't value their employees. They have cut and cut benefits. They don't trust their employees, no more work from home and changing to open office. They say it's for collaboration, but yet they push anything they can overseas. They want us to donate 15% of our time to increase the bottom line, and how do we benefit, we get to keep our jobs. The last straw was management expecting the engineers to come up with 8% year over year improvement. Why, because they have s—ed us dry and need to make the numbers.
Is the grass greener? You better believe it. Better pay and benefits. Management that appreciates you. And best of all, I feel like I did when I first became and engineer. I actually get paid to have fun and my employer get my best work. Isn't that a win win?
No regrets. Agree with the other posters. It was an accumulation over my last 2 to 3 years including the lack of leadership's respect for employees and "telling" us what to do rather than trusting the expertise for which we were supposedly hired. Constant political positioning and eyebrow raising "ethical" issues with few, if any, consequences for that behavior. An ALT that didn't trust each other and it trickled down to their teams. Continued loss of benefits, implementing the new "remote" policy without caring about the excellent and unique skill sets lost to HON and how teams would carry on without those members. Constant budget and staffing reductions. Arbitrary PIPs and forced to change employee reviews just to meet leadership targets (you can only keep cutting 10% of the "fat" for so long before you're cutting the "meat"). It was and still is about cutting costs.
For me it was the new site leader , he was horrible and verbally abusive. Could not take the culture and the day he yelled at me I applied for two jobs that night. I got a call the next day and the rest was history. That was about 2 years ago. No regrets. I’m making almost 40 percent more at R
The list of grievances was long and covered in other posts, but the net overall effect was the realization that Honeywell executive management view people as a cost to be minimized, with no regard to their lives, happiness, or long term success. Why would anyone want to work in such an environment?
Absolutely no regrets.
Your question illustrates my exact quitting point. Honeywell continuously seeks the bare minimum for employees but expects the maximum from employees every day.
It sounds like you’re only interested in fixing that last straw. Bare minimum.
Yes, the grass is greener, the stock performance, benefits and pay are better and the employees are valued.
For me there was no ONE thing that made me leave HI. It was more like the death by a thousand cuts (pathetic raises, PIP quotas, MIP reduction, EEI, "unlimited vacation" instead of defined benefit vacation, no remote work, etc.). The thing that probably irked me the most was when every one of my direct reports complained about EEI when we didn't even have enough work to fill up a 40 hour week let alone 44-46 hours. I agreed with them and I figured none of the directors and senior TMs were willing to tell the emperor he had no clothes (JE). My senior TM tried to explain how it benefits everybody instead of just the executives but in the end he punted and attributed it to JE (who he worshipped and wanted to please) and told me to make sure my people work it.
Do I have regrets of any kind? Uh, NOPE! The grass is definitely greener. The pay is higher. Benefits are cheaper and better. 40 hour work weeks. No late night phone calls with the off shore id–ts. Life is good outside of HI.
just read the 8 BS behaviors, starting with integrity. HON has NO integrity. My leaders were lying on numbers all the time and I reported it, result I got fired. But dont get me wrong, I am really happy not to be a "futureshaper"
There is such a disconnect between the image HON tries to promote and the reality (which is just the opposite).
Now that I am outside, of course I see lot of resumes from HON people, and believe me if I feel they have this HON behavior I destroy them during the interview.
HON will sink in the coming years, with the approval of Tim and Darius. If you think GE has a terrible future, think twice.
Politics where incapable people were promoted to mngmnt functions . Furloughs during so called “hard times” which were actually the best times where VPs cashed in millions on stock.
Lying to myself for several years that it would be better...
Only think I regret is that I haven’t left earlier.
Zero regrets.
Pay went up significantly and benefits are better. Relocation was required for me but this ended up with a better house and better schools than what I had in Florida. Still getting used to the new town but enjoying new scenery and a much more active life.
Best of all I am working on a seriously cool project. Work is fun again because I can see the end result. Will never work for a component manufacturer again. Honeywell was a dead end for engineering. Systems engineers should immediately look elsewhere especially if you hold a clearance.
it was a slow build up, to near 7 day work, managing large team of 24, plus the dotted line responsibilities, doubling and redoubling of work for me an my team. Never a received decent pay raise or higher than a block 5 rating, regardless of early deliveries, regardless of verified cost avoidance of sever million per year, regardless of innovation in leading to the cost avoidance. never so much as a thank you, and yet my results are rolled up and in some cased show cased to the customer, milestone payments received were hinged on my team delivery.
you know what i got.... a not good enough, and oh yea, go PIP two band 4s and a band 3.
Now in the day-to-day grind I did not think that this so bad, or so I thought. I was just too busy to dwell on the what I was not getting only concerned with what i could give.
Well as luck would have it I needed to have minor surgery that forced me off my feet for about two weeks. During this time my mind wondered and I took anaccounting of my time spent at Honeywell, and really became p-ss-d at what I had done for this company and looked at every broken promise they made. I reviewed my employment offer letter and looked at all of the benefits that have taken away. Benefits taken away because poor performance no, benefits taken away because of HI poor business performance no, just plain greed and contempt for the engineers that make and support the products. At that point i was at the 90 percent bail out mind-set. However when I cam back and i was told to pack up and clear my walled office and move to a cube to so that make room for the people coming in from ALBQ. I asked how I was supposed to manage my team from a cube, every day one of my 24 people would come to me for a meeting to discuss work issues, and needed the door closed. I asked how i would conduct the various business sensitive Skype meeting, Itar meetings....Etc . The only response was, "go book a conference room." It was then I realized that I really was being prevented from doing my job as a TM.
so I gave notice, jumped ship. Yes, I was a little nervous at first, strange not having anyone constantly harassing you, but I sleep better, get more exercise in, lost weight, look better...... and found a much better job (pay and title) a director now.
So before the Trolls start jumping on my Sh#t as to why Im here. First I made many friends at HI and i would like to encourage them and others to leave on their own rather than be carried out,
and to tell the younger people to take care of themselves first, don't be s—ered by this company (or any other one) they are no longer a technology company. Yes, you may think thinks are good for you now this year, but you will see in the fullness of time that promises will be broken and you will be seen a liability rather than an asset to be valued.
Best to all of you, in finding a happy future for yourself and you close ones.