Follow your intuition- Don't be fooled by trolls who make sarcastic comments!
This is NOT FAKE NEWS! There are layoffs happening- call it restructuring or whatever! A SIGNIFICANT number of tenured employees over 45 of all genders were impacted. AND I know of several others who are STILL EMPLOYED are ALSO very impacted most are 45+ all genders etc #nodni. Many, Many, Many who remain will be forced out- GOOGLE HR/Legal term calls this managed termination. This type of action is unfortunately way tooo common. It's best described as when an employee in assigned to a role with unreasonable goals, earnings are reduced, they're micromanaged, etc until they finally "quit" on their own. In a restructuring and also at other times, employees may be offered restructured roles at reduced title, pay, or both. Whether forced out or restructured, these actions are usually done as a means for companies avoid wrongful termination suits, eliminate requirement for larger severance payments, and there's ZERO requirement for this demographic data to be included in age and gender statistics of terminated or WFR reporting. There are many ways this happens and unless an EEOC or other legal action is filed, there's zero consequence to the company. Remain aware- If you believe you are being managed out- look for an opportunity NOW. It's a HOT market- you deserve better! No snarky comments please. These are unfortunate times an additional hostility is just not necessary. Follow your intuition- Pivotal, RSA, Boomi, VMWare, EMC, no more.....only Dell remains.
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Re - Pivotal used to be a great place to work with top notch engineers' - that's the Darwin comment of the year, right there. Of the 5 engineers in Cork I knew who moved to that group, 4 were bluffers
please provide link to the layoff news. I don't see it anywhere. You make it sound like it is painfully obvious.
This is 100% happening.Google Dell news.Not as if you have to look far.
it has always been speculation about layoffs. Nobody knows for sure. I'm not hearing anything, in fact hiring is happening. Not sure what other areas are hearing. THere seems to be nothing on a global scale.
I'm well over 45, WFR'd in 2020, got about 1 years salary. The whole process was illegal in my country, however it's best to take the money and run. The team I left are all now hanging on hoping for the same, even to the extent that when a role comes up they stay. 13 months full OTE + benefits is a good reason to hang on.
Hi Guys.As the last post said and numerous posts have mentioned is do we have any idea if layoffs are happening.Is it rumours of layoffs happening?We are a on a layoff site so some proof of what depts/countries etc would be great.Put a lot of minds at ease or have people prepared for work elsewhere.
People seem to be expecting an email from HR at any minute so seems to be widespread talk of it at least.
In some Asia countries, the SPSS team has seen some layoffs. The team was streamlined and merged with the commercial account team.
Is this just in Asia? Would like to hear from other countries
Huh?
Getting rid of the 45+ folks is normal for any corporation and it is all about reducing the amortization costs. All the old boys who are interested mainly in politics rather than doing work should go. The question is who are the guys who are let go in reality..
Follow your intuition- Pivotal.. no more.....only Dell remains.
In the EMC days Pivotal used to be a great place to work with top notch engineers. So how is it faring these days? Are you telling us that nobody good/nothing is left there?
the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!!???????????
Whoever is asking about counterpoints it would be nice if they were upfront and answer if they are representing Dell HR or what division they actually may work in.
Appears that they are confrontational and not impacted, they keep posting this is "good for the employee". How is it good they have lost employment by being cut. Even though the company reports they are doing extremely well and all is good..
So you chose not to address any of the counterpoints made. Instead you whine about how your feelings where hurt. I think you just like to dwell on "woe is me" scenerios
I'll say it again.
The idea that a company will go through all this juggling, shifting, sorting to reduce employee count to save severance and liabilities??
AND if this were true, it's good for the employee! They now have time to interview and find a new job!!!! Where is the loss in this?
It’s easy to see when a posts hits home and is usually coming from a company employee who either wants to deflect from real circumstances or is still on a corporate honeymoon. Towing company line “ it’s normal, good for employee, not happening”.
The response always starts with an insult or other insensitive remark.
Why are you even on this site if you you haven’t been impacted either currently, previously, or are may fearful of future?
If any above have ever applied to you, there’s no way you would not have such a defensive posture.
This post is patently absurd.
The idea that a company will go through all this juggling, shifting, sorting to reduce employee count to save severance and liabilities?? Re-orgs, new manager, new responsibilities is all part of the deal with big companies. Nothing new under the sun here.
AND if this were true, it's good for the employee! They now have time to interview and find a new job!!!! Where is the loss in this?
But it's not.
A proven, and easy way is just doing a layoff with severance. It's a clean cut, HR is all over it, and the employee gets a payout. This is a standard and proven practce.
and this is different from other companies.....how??? Welcome to corporate America..this is no secret.
There were layoffs the people that were let go were let go under the category of Cost Reduction. The 120 plus on the spreadsheet list that I saw had the employees job grade listed majority were grade of I8 or above. Let’s do the math 120 employees paid around 100K and above cones to a cost reduction of salary alone of 12 million dollars a year just for salary this doesn’t include paid benefits of Health Insurance Dental Insurance Life Insurance etc. . This is How Dell does it even during what they register as good quarterly results. this is only one spreadsheet list of 120 employees, as Dell doesn’t provide a WARN no one knows how many of these spreadsheet lists with employees being Cost Reduced there are. This is what they do constantly cut to boost the reporting.
someone finally gets it.
LoL.
You guys are pathetic.
There were no layoffs. Great quarter.
But, hey, let's talk how they layoff had they laid off.
If you are unhappy, move on.
If you've been let go, move on.
Posting to this site will not restore your self-worth.
But if you have tangible layoff news or information post it.
From an earlier entry on another thread” I’m responding again - the part about layoffs being a regular thing. It’s not made up, it’s accurate. The rule of thumb in the area I previously worked in was that 2 people chosen each quarter - however it wasn’t set in stone because due to consistent re-orgs obviously there are a lot of shifts so that number isn’t consistent, just as the teams and managers of teams are not consistent. But the constant layoffs are absolutely true. I was told about this before I worked there and I witnessed it first hand when I did work there. In some ways Dell is a great company but the facts are the facts. That aspect of the company is not great and IMO a lazy approach to leadership and managing people (leading by fear and constant reorganization).”
The disparaging comments are really unfortunate. Layoffs rarely only happen in a single group. Why does it matter which groups may have been impacted anyway? After someone is laid off- they belong to a class not a group. HR or legal troll trying to see if someone is violating severance by posting here? The rest of the conversation reads to be about people being forced out vs laid off. Bullying tactics are common when trying to force a resignation so.... we’ll done troll. You obviously know about and likely participate in the bad behavior the person was warning about. Hang out where bullying is tolerated is the worst.
yep..and still no mention of location and groups of where these layoff's happened.
complainer and non performer me thinks
I heard a NPR interview this morning that used the term GLASS CLIFF! It described exactly what is described. BUT this NPR was about Women and Minorities. I know for sure it happens to aging white males too! For anyone not "seeing this" you can stop reading- but should be aware for future reference. Spilling beans- really? Looks like some of the posts are from current employees, strange you'd be on a layoff site? Maybe your'e HR? - Either way, if you are still employed at this company and even better if you are in HR or D&I team and you're really "not seeing it".... look for it.... it's easy to find, you wont have to look too hard. I hope someone is reading who wants or can drive change. I'd start with a look at older, tenured, "former" high performing individuals. It doesn't matter what gender or race. I know many who've left for this very reason. Most who leave will not raise the issue because they'll have already found less toxic places to land and figure- what's the use?
Why spill the beans or help a company improve when you've been pushed out?
The way was managed out was awful, I became depressed, anxious, my self worth was in the sewer. I believed my career was ending, and that I should move aside quietly. Thankfully that was not the case! Looking back I can't believe that I allowed my brain to be put in such a bad place. Thankfully, great friends and a solid network helped me find a new job then I quietly left.
yes, this is your opportunity to expose the very groups that are doing this and let the world know all about it. Be a social media vigilante. Without details, it is all social media speculation and I think we've all had enough of that.
Completely agree with "managed termination" comment. I saw it happen first hand to a teammate. She was given an extremely high quota with low spend SMB accounts. Luckily, she had already gotten in tight with another group and changed positions. If she hadn't, they would have definitely let her go. Within a year, older, knowledgeable, high performing individuals were discreetly pushed out as young people straight out of school were hired. Customers love that :)
what location? what groups? You seem to know alot about it so spill the beans.
not seeing it....sorry