Thread regarding SAP layoffs

@xr that would be like throwing a baby’s security blanket or pacifier into the garbage

It starts with cxos top level to bottom level hopefully and not vice versa

@e1 SAP should kick McKinesy to the curb & reduce their payout.

@gm the harassed person gets fired or SAP make their life he-l so they quit.

@ev and the one who raised the harassment will get promoted, like miss tai in HR...

@OP Swing the DEI ax. Save money and improve everything.

@e3 If there's a legitimate harrassment complaint, legal & HR will deduct the expected settlement from the cost center beforehand.

In case you didn't know how this works.

@eg Gero was against this. He wanted better integration with SAP. But Torsten Zube wanted the people leads to become the development managers. He has also asked for this in other areas besides his current one. Let us not forget how many layoffs he has been a part of in the last 13 years.

@ed Torsten Zube is a snake. and People Leads were made Development Managers to not lay them off, with the support from Gero obviously.

If HR are so bad, then why did the Signavio upper management make HR people development managers in HPOM? They may have people management experience but no technical experience. Torsten Zube made this decision and he is an SAP executive. Obviously he did the right thing as he is one of the best executives SAP ever had.

@e2 I reacted with -1 not because of the comment is wrong but because the answer is No, you do not trust HR. HR exist to protect the company not the employees, their work is to reduce liabilities. Never approach HR if you have a complain to make, you will become a target and will kick you out. Betriebsrat on the other hand, are the ones who could protect employees. They can accompany you during a formal complaint process, you just need to be careful and to some extent lucky, because some of their member are just political gangsters. Managers and HR will not like when you involve a Betriebstrat member for sure, they will start defensiveness.

@e2 You must be new indeed.

HR is only there for one purpose: to protect the company from the employees in case anything goes wrong.

That is why quite often molested people leave (with a high payout) after signing a NDA: it protects the company.

HR is never on the side of the employee unless this helps the company.

If you go on part time - in most jurisdictions they will use your part time salary to calculate any redundancy payout. I suspect this is McKinsey being clever and telling SAP - here's how you can cut the required statutory redundancy pay in half - make your workers go on part time, then lay them off (and then McKinsey charged millions for their advice). So as one person observed - it's a trap. One thing to remember - you absolutely cannot trust HR and you absolutely cannot trust the exec level - L1 or L2. Their only and singular interest is self-preservation. They do not care about the impact to SAP of letting talented people go - they only care about their income and their retirement package.

Don‘t fall for this.

To quote a Star Wars admiral: „It‘s a trap!“.

I would reduce my hours. Not to prevent a layoff but because it will give me more headspace and time to actually apply for jobs where the culture is not nosediving to he-l. There is going to be no VERP so I will just go if I find something similar to my current salary. The market is not so good right now so we need to wait. HR knows this and that's why they are making everything worse for employees.

I am a Sikh. I carry my dagger. No one can force me to work part-time without getting into trouble.

I don‘t want to work part time.

I came to WDF to make as much as possible. I work hard. That is the Indian way.

No part time for me.

A typital "creative" idea from HR...

@bx thaey are the same...

Perhaps McKinsey could start a new revenue stream via opi--d addiction?

Doesn't say much for SAP HR if the clowns at McKinsey are involved.

@a6 SAP has also spent tons of money in the last 5 years buying Emarsys, AppGyver, Signavio, Taulia, LeanIX, WalkMe, SmartRecruiters, Reltio, Prior Labs and Dremio.
And before that Qualtrics at US$8 billion, CallidusCloud at US$2.4 billion, Concur at US$8.3 billion, Ariba at US$4.3 billion, SuccessFactors at US$3.4 billion, Sybase at US$5.8 billion and Business Objects at €4.8 billion.
And to add on top layoffs and compensation from 2023-2025, investments in AI etc.

Where is the money honey?

What country are you located in?

It looks like a setup to me...

It's a two step layoff strategy:
First move people from full-time to part-time
Then move them out.

Layoff part time employees is cheaper and less restrictive in the law compared to full-time.

Accepting voluntarily to change your contract from full-time to part-time to somehow save your job is the d-mbest thing you can do.

@a4 Maybe it is to show that part time employees + AI are more valuable than full-time employees. This will make for a good AI story even if the company suffers. After all, these executives are untouchable because the supervisory board is filled with their friends. I think the real reason SAP needs layoffs now is because there was too much money spent on AI. And we don't have the money to pay the AI bills and also hand out executive bonuses and also do share buybacks. So this is the easiest path for HR and the executives.

What’s interesting since when has SAP ever been concerned about saving jobs in the last 10 years. Why so now? Could it be they realize the AI strategy is on a path of mediocrity.