Why is there so much hate for DEI in this forum?
I'm assuming that this forum is primarily white men. So I ask you white men directly - what about DEI upsets you?
And if this forum is primarily minorities and women - I ask you the same question - what about DEI upsets you?
There are no wrong answers. This is a 'safe space'. You can feel welcome to share 'your truth' here.
Today - Juneteenth - was probably a tough day for a lot of Ford employees...
Let me tell you what DEI has done for me.
I used to be a pretty tolerant person, willing to look past race and gender and national origin and all that.
Look where my tolerance has got me?
I have abandoned tolerance. That's what DEI has done for me.
The people accustomed to "privilege" are those benefiting from discriminatory DEI practices.
Go pound salt!
What a stupid stupid stupid post!
Would not include you in anything.
When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
All you angry white men are proving that here and now.
My department in Ford - very highly educated and highly paid - is more diverse than ever before. Each teammate was selected for their abilities alone. And we have been more successful than ever before.
Farley said that Ford was way behind the competition when it came to DEI. Then he addressed that problem. And he was successful.
“DEI” requires racial and gender discrimination.
We hate those things.
DEI is Discrimation.
When you systematically hire and promote based on anything but skills, knowledge and abilities, the company loses. Ford has gone to extreme with their DEI policies and it shows.
DEI training has no place in a business. If you have individuals that are discriminatory, you deal with them individually.
This is still true at Ford Motor Company
Ford does value race above all else.
That's why there are 90%+ white men in all levels of leadership and GSR.
But that's just coincidence, right?
A person's race should not be the most important factor in hiring or promoting a person.
“I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” - MLK
Because I don't care about you. If you can't perform something is wrong somewhere.
Are you people really downvoting ending child marriage and racial profiling?
Ann Arbor is introducing new law enforcement policies to decrease racial profiling.
Also, today, Michigan state legislature introduced a bill to outlaw child marriage. It was mostly bipartisan but three Rs voted against. It would require that people must be at least 18 years old to get married.
One thing I find interesting is just how quickly and how loudly the majority will decry racism when they feel it impacts them. I hope that these same people respond with equal speed and strength when they see racism impacting people of color.
Everyone at Ford is relatively privileged. DEI is nothing more than highly compensated minorities telling less compensated people how oppressed they are and that they deserve even more compensation. You have a good job and your kids go to a good school. If they don't, it is your fault.
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However Ford decides to move forward with DEI, I hope that it is done fairly and in good faith.
There are a lot of good employees - both majority and minority - that are undervalued and mistreated.
I hope that Ford hires and promotes equitably and fairly to all groups regardless of their age / race / orientation / etc.
We’ve been told for decades that we should be colorblind, and not judge someone by the color of their skin. Now DEI policies are telling us to hire/promote people based on the color of their skin. Ironic, huh?
Actually, the instructor was a current professor from MSU. So no he was NOT from Ford’s HR’s department (when we actually had one back then).
Strange that the “leaders” who make the biggest show about being massive DEI supporters are the ones most opposed to DEI. They stealthily take actions to subvert the DEI efforts.
I heard LL6 and LL5 making derisive comments about pufters and pillow biters, google to the rescue for help with the British slang. Then yup a LL6 promotion for a teammate meeting that criteria. But he is set up to fail repeatedly.
All Hat No Cattle.
@1aag has it occurred to you that the instructor was from the HR department?
As a white male, I was personally impacted by DEI as far back as 2000. In 1998 I was recognized for my potential and requested by Ford to attend the MSU Executive MBA program. I graduated in 2000 and the Ford world changed in those two years. As I was writing a paper for a HR classes, I searched the Ford web for info. I found all the secrets about fords plans and targets to decrease white male leadership positions. (Web security was weak back then). I included this info in my paper and shared it with my manager. Next thing I know I’m meeting with HR and the grand inquisition started. I was persecuted for finding Ford DEI plans. After graduating, I had 13 interviews for different positions. Never once was offered a position. I suspected what might occur so I used CDS to capture the organization information before the interviews and after the notice the position went to a different person. None of the positions went to a white male and I debated my next steps. Ultimately I chose what is now called quiet quitting. I never applied for another position because I knew what the plan was and it didn’t include people like me. So have DEI and letter people propaganda crammed down our throats gets annoying and enough is enough. We’re fighting back and payback is a B.
What do you mean? Be specific.
But you won't.
Seems like a typical cowardly R thing to do. Kind of hint at something but not actually say it because your too afraid to stand on your own.
Maybe you could wear a white hood? That might make you confident enough to say what's on your mind.
I do not believe you.
If that happened - a rational person would file a formal grievance with HR.
Curious thing about South Africa is that it has gone from First World nation, including establishing itself as a nuclear power by the 1980's, to a nearly collapsed society today a mere three decades after apartheid was ended.
@1ers - seems like you're painting with the brush of feelings rather than facts. The Dutch Boer ("farmers") started settling in the 1650's, and the apartheid didn't come around until 300 years later. I agree that the forced resettlement under apartheid was an abhorrent action and reprehensible, however it doesn't justify the full extent of confiscations that have occurred from the 1990's onward. The Boers weren't "generations removed" from the resettlements, it was still well within living memory with a great many of the parties on both sides still alive.
@1xjz Yes everyone is suppose to be treating people with respect. It cuts both ways though. At one Ford diversity training I was accused of micro aggressions because I switched my purse from my right hand to my left hand so I could sign in - on the class sign-in sheet. Ah but for 15 minutes I was jumped on as according to a black man I switch my purse to be further away from him because I subconsciously thought he would steal it. Several black women dog piled on and backed his story up (doing the in your face pointing while almost yelling at me). The instructor just stood there smirking.
So sick of the so called Ford training. It is all a load of you know what.
This site incorrectly defines DEI as some kind of preferential hiring and promoting process. It is supposed to be about treating people fairly and with respect. It is about non treating people as "less than" because gender, race, orientation, etc.
I worked with two trans women here at Ford. Rock solid employees and team members. Some coworkers were visibly uncomfortable around them though.
DEI initiatives are necessary. Minorities and under represented groups - even when most qualified ir even equally qualified are leas likely to be interviewed / hired to a statistically significant degree.
Ford's leadership - at every level - is primarily white and male. At levels that are statistically higher than the actual makeup of the country or local area.
So what drives that? White men are more comfortable around other white men. There are plenty of studies that show two identical resumes - one has a stereotypical white/male name and the other has a stereotypical black/Indian/female name and the white/male resume gets selected more often to a statistically significant degree.
And it's no surprise when white people - especially white men see that non white male employees are being saught - get very angry. They don't view it as equality or equity. They view it as a loss. That somehow sharing an equitable amount of roles means that they get less. And the company isn't looking to make all roles minority held. Ford is going to make each location align with countrybor local demographics.
Here's an example. In South Africa, the white minority established apartheid so that they could remain in control. They took all farm land from black farmers. Decades later, after apartheid was eradicated, the farmland was taken back. The white farmers - generations removed from the original theft - felt devastated and felt that they shouldn't have to lose their land. That's similar to how the job market is these days. White people unfairly cornered the best roles and excluded non white males from them. Now that companies are beginning to ensure that those underrepresented groups - only highly qualified candidates - are being equally considered, the white legacy employees are furious and feel they are being robbed. When really, the company is finally attempting to be equitable to all groups. None of this should bother anyone.
It shouldn’t matter which of the 57 flavors a person identifies with. Skill, knowledge, aptitude, work ethic and helpfulness should be judged. In other words merit. If they had the equivalent of a blind audition all the issues would go away as people would know that hey there was a level playing field and the best person was chosen.
It’s strange that at Ford, people have not been bringing their best selves to work. Jeez we are suppose to work not prattle on about politics and how “Chosen-Oppressor” are all evil and we need to lift up “Flavor of the Month”.
Think of a dinner party, everyone knows the forbidden topics and everyone has an unwritten compact to be pleasant and have a good time.
Work use to be the same, nobody cared what your politics / orientation / religion / nationality / etc. were. We respected each other, assumed the best from others, were polite and ensured that we didn’t make others uncomfortable. WTH happened???
@jnd - that's the whole problem, identity politics.
I've never come across truly equal candidates, though if that really were the case I'd schedule another interview involving the whole team. Post interview secret ballots to pick the choice.
Deciding who gets laid off is still above my pay grade, and I'm sure that if I were at that level the preferred corporate guidelines would be pretty clear about it (even if unwritten).
Let’s talk about Hamtramck banning your ford pride flag.hmmm…can someone explain that to me?? Let’s really get into DEI
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"THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT VENUE TO DO OUR DEI RESEARCH"
This is the "exact place / forum" where this needs to be discussed, especially when GSRs and LLs are being fired, laid off and career displaced in the name of DEI. The board is “THELAYOFF.com”, just where this topic needs to be !
We are all loud and clear with our voices to our friends, family and neighbors about just how the work environment is nowadays and the story is of bias, unfairness and injustice in the work environment happens all the time.
Anyone reading this, I’m certain has handfuls of examples of watching nonqualified candidates getting unfairly promoted, biased merit increases toward the upper end of the pay scale, unfair work leveling amongst the team and any disciplinary actions.
My boss wouldn’t dare have any difficult discussions with my DEI coworker(s) about poor work and the solution is to pass it on to the rest of the team. When his overseas visit got extended for 1 ½ weeks, we all got the assignments. When I asked to work from home for ½ day because I was expecting a package delivery via truck, I got the lecture and the contract of working at home – all nonsense. When the last round of layoffs occurred, two supervisors in my department got the axe and they promoted the one very-nonqualified candidate and I won’t even say the acronym, but take a guess. The one LL6 that was laid off had over 50+ patents directly related to the work we do in our department, but just didn’t fit the new mold. I go to get fish and chip during Lenton and we get the evil eye, but yet on the other side if I went and prayed five (5) times per day, everyone would be scared to death to look at me.
So yes, here starts this needed discussion.
@OP Female here, no DEI hate here just disgust for how Ford implements “change”
It’s the same cr-p they pulled in the late 1990s where they addressed the gender imbalance in management by doing mass promotions of women. When you looked closely you noticed that the most competent and respected women were not promoted in the mass promotions. The villages id--ts and class clowns were all promoted.
This same nonsense is being played out with DEI promotions.
Look and watch closely at the game board. Ever notice how diversity candidates are moved into sacrifice positions? Big hoopla on the promotion, a few years later followed by a cut. Same thing happened with women.
Also pay attention to who gets promoted, it’s not the most skilled and most competent. It’s the people who aren’t a threat (poor-mediocre skills, willing to blindly follow orders and bootlick)
DEI is wrong on many levels. For one, we're a company with quality problems that focuses on appearance over capability. Coincidence? Two, DEI suggests minorities aren't capable to compete on merit, which is racist in itself to the minorities. Three, DEI seems to only come into play when white people are involved (i.e. 85% of Credit's leadership are Indian)... DEI isn't compatible with success.
...except in Ford's case, we need the white guys to help the black guys that have been discriminated against for so long... it's not a hand out, it's a hand up.
If we all just refer back to the 80's movies all this cr-p would be fixed.
From Stripes - Dewey Oxburger.......
"He said the black guys...
...help the white guys."