Why can’t we work while negotiations with the company continue? Two weeks out of full pay and it will take a long time to make this money back. It sounds like AT&T is at the table and making offers. The West deal gave record raises that we should get. Why does CWA leadership think keeping us out of work helps? It’s not their $$$ getting tossed around and strike pay of $300 a week is nothing.
Losing faith in CWA leadership here.
No health care costs? Dude have you picked out your urn. That old and still complaining? I guess I would too if I had 1 foot in.
“You knew the possibilities when you signed up for the union.”
Yeah. When I signed up we had no cost healthcare & wages that kept up with inflation
The boomers that are gung-ho about striking don't understand what young families are going through to make ends meet.
you know boomers were your age once? you think we were hatched old? we all went thru the same stuff
I don't think many people in D9 can afford this kind of sillyness with the COL and need for steady 2 income households to survive. We all know what At&t is and how they treat their employees. We could have all left a long time ago if there was something better. At a certain point, the CWA needs to take what ever the F they can get and move on. make a change if it doesn't work for you. The boomers that are gung-ho about striking don't understand what young families are going through to make ends meet.
You knew the possibilities when you signed up for the union.
"You are also going to see more and more good people out of the mgmt side get tired of the CP assignment, and start aggressively looking for other jobs"
Unfortunately, the C Suite views this as a win. Between RTO and layoffs, good people on the management side are already being sacrificed. The goal is to get rid of as many management (aka non-bargained) U.S. employees as possible, quietly, and add to the ranks in India. That is how ATS (Jeremy Legg's org) claims to be "hiring" while dumping employees left and right. If more U.S. management employees leave because of CP, then the C Suite will say "don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out".
Seriously, we work for a--holes. Everyone should be looking or planning for a way out, regardless of being a bargained or non-bargained employee. Even if you have "job security" (which I would argue isn't true), at some point you are going to want to leave. Start planning for that now, so you aren't stuck when it happens.
“ This is not impacting the company.” Yet another disingenuous or just plain ignorant company troll.
Most recent company bargaining partial statement, “ we will be working to provide some needed rest and further bolster our temporary workforce in the interest of our customers.“
We also shouldn’t believe those customers interviewed on the news about lack of service and them describing no date was provided when it will be repaired. That’s not including all the missed installs and lost sales commission’s. Managers at many locations are stating they can’t keep up and are just trying to put out fires. They are writing down all the locations that techs will need to revisit upon return.
This is not impacting the company. We work across the street from the strikers. When one of our employees ask what that’s about, we say AT&T is on strike. They just roll their eyes, laugh about you guys being out in the heat and then it’s back to work. Nobody cares. We are just grateful that it’s not us. Besides, who in their right mind would tell their people to quit working during a recession and an election year? The dude didn’t even bring it up in his DNC speech. You guys are in a huge mess.
this is impacting the company. If this lasts a while it will have a major impact to 3Q numbers and potentially extend into 4Q results as well...... We are shedding customers now at an exponential pace in the SE region of the company, which traditionally was one of the better regions of profitability.
Here's a thought. This makes the company have a terrible 3Q that carries over into a bad 4Q. Now the company really doesn't have the FCF or incentive to give all the "more" that's requested.
"I hadn't seen a union rep at my yard in at least a year.”
You are part of the union, try going to a monthly union meeting.
Going to meetings has nothing to do with a rep being on site. Going to every single meeting wouldn't negate the lack of representative showing in the yard.
"Executive compensation is out of control, I hope somehow this bargaining and the involvement of outside parties recognizes that and encourages a decrease to help fund a tiny bit of what CWA is asking for"
You'll receive more than you deserve, but far less than you're asking for.
Rarely post but will say this is impacting the company. If this lasts a while it will have a major impact to 3Q numbers and potentially extend into 4Q results as well, which will put even more pressure for executive level changes in the company. We are shedding customers now at an exponential pace in the SE region of the company, which traditionally was one of the better regions of profitability. You are also going to see more and more good people out of the mgmt side get tired of the CP assignment, and start aggressively looking for other jobs, which also creates more detriment.
Executive compensation is out of control, I hope somehow this bargaining and the involvement of outside parties recognizes that and encourages a decrease to help fund a tiny bit of what CWA is asking for.
"A lot of us prepared for the strike and we aren’t anxious, we are enjoying the time off."
Again with the assumptions, no one ever said they were anxious or unprepared. They only talked about transparency. So by your comments, I can "assume" that you are perfectly OK with the "off the books" conversations? From my experience, those types of conversations are usually quite damning. That goes kind like the "second class employee" comments, you don't say the quiet part out loud. If you're not going to be transparent about the topics of the "off the books" conversations, why mention them? Maybe I missed something, I am human, besides I'm enjoying my time being prepared and not anxious.
“ maybe give the members more than crumbs for updates.”
Just a suggestion, you may be a good candidate to volunteer to be a bargainer next contract negotiations. I’m all for transparency too but understand that there is only so much they can divulge until signed agreements are in place. That is one reason why ULP charges were filed and CWA bargaining team is so frustrated, hard to make news on little to no movement. Happy Labor Day!
A lot of us prepared for the strike and we aren’t anxious, we are enjoying the time off. Hopefully they will answer your questions soon until then, Stay Strong!
"I hadn't seen a union rep at my yard in at least a year.”
You are part of the union, try going to a monthly union meeting. Plenty of reps there or volunteer to be a job steward. This isn’t Friday night Smackdown, these are legal negotiations, there is enough drama without going live. Been through this process many contracts, we will have a TA soon. The company is trying out the younger members to see if they will stay in unity and hold the line. Stay strong!
All one has to look at is the Billions in net profits, the raises and compensation for the officers. CEO Stankey alone had a $3,000,000 raise last year which is an approximately 13.04%. Cry me a river AT&T!"
Funny thing, im always told I needed to "go to a meeting", but other that a meal that's been paid for by my dues, why do i need to go to a meeting? How do you know that I don't go to meetings?Another thing ive been hearing, is that "I've been through these things a bunch of times and we'll have an agreement soon". Funny thing is that prior to 2019, there hadn't been a strike since 1983. So please tell me how many strikes you've been through with AT&T over negotiations? All I'm saying is that there needs to be more transparency within the cwa. We got some bigger updates recently, but that was due to people starting to call out the union on their updates. The phone was was just a regurgitation of the updates, and the question and answer segment was just as horrible. The answers were minimal at best. If you want more continued solidarity, maybe give the members more than crumbs for updates.
"What's the harm, right?"
Borrowing a small amount from 401K to get you by for a few weeks literally does no harm. You're taking a loan from yourself, you will pay it right back, to yourself, and the only thing you might lose is a small amount of interest, but again, to the main point, it's nothing that you won't make up for with a better contract.
"Borrow from 401K if you have to"
Yeah, I think all CWA members should do that on Tuesday. What's the harm, right?
Why can’t we work while negotiations with the company continue?
Because this is how you lose your only bargaining chip. You've got this far, now go till the end. 2 weeks of pay? What are you, 18 years old? Dip into your savings. Borrow from 401K if you have to, you will make it up with a better contract, and then some. Start using your head, this is the game. The union tests the company to see how long they can sustain without the workers they need to serve their customers. T loses customer every single day because of this. The company, their strategy is to see how long they can hold off until you people start giving up, and it's starting to look like you're getting close. Honestly, you don't have to wait for the Union to call off the strike. It ends when the workers decide it's over. You can go back to work right now.
“ I hadn't seen a union rep at my yard in at least a year.”
You are part of the union, try going to a monthly union meeting. Plenty of reps there or volunteer to be a job steward. This isn’t Friday night Smackdown, these are legal negotiations, there is enough drama without going live. Been through this process many contracts, we will have a TA soon. The company is trying out the younger members to see if they will stay in unity and hold the line. Stay strong!
All one has to look at is the Billions in net profits, the raises and compensation for the officers. CEO Stankey alone had a $3,000,000 raise last year which is an approximately 13.04%. Cry me a river AT&T!
The CWA is in bed with the Company. T tells them how long to stay out and what the new contract will look like. The "bargaining committee" gets months of UA time, full pay, and free dinners while we stand in the 95 degree sun. A few weeks of strike pay and we will vote for any contract. Thank you slugs!!
This right here, minus the name calling, is exactly what needs to be said. Negotiations started in June, so the heat if summer, and this committee has been holed up in a hotel and air conditioning, with free meals paid by our union dues. Meanwhile the rest of us our sweating our as--s off, and being told to "trust the process". So whats this process, stand in the sun and take selfies hoping the company says ok? Pretty sure the deals have already been made and this is all smoke and mirrors. All we have to go on is what we are being told, not sure about you guys, but i was taught a long time ago to believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see. Why aren't these "meetings" live streamed, and what are these "off the books" conversations. Sounds like the Sopranos around here. Until this strike happened, I hadn't seen a union rep at my yard in at least a year.
you will get your money back on mandatory overtime.
The CWA is in bed with the Company. T tells them how long to stay out and what the new contract will look like. The "bargaining committee" gets months of UA time, full pay, and free dinners while we stand in the 95 degree sun. A few weeks of strike pay and we will vote for any contract. Thank you slugs!!
Why can't the company offer a reasonable raise and reasonable health care premiums. It's not like we didn't help them profit $30b, an increase from 2022 and 2023. Loose what you have and you will never get it back.
Probably because of job security if I had to guess. The company would like to easily and cheaply reduce the workforce by a lot which would cost the union a fortune.
5% not nothing?? That is great. And get your English corrected. Ge-z
“ The West deal”
Not much changed, slightly above normal wage increase, not significant as touted and a few minor work rules improvements. Most everything else is status quo. They keep eroding job security by allowing contracted work and work relocation which management has experienced themselves over the last couple of years. Basically a layoff to try and reduce family and community entrenched, better compensated, senior employees, who won’t follow the work. The company is able to restart with new employees with much lower wages and worse compensation packages then, the traveling circus repeats after several years and a lease expires.
Strikes are the main tool of unions, to get concessions out of employers.
AT&T is bluffing. We are losing a lot of customers who need new service installed or service repairs. Customers are being told to wait over 3 weeks for tech. AT&T will not be able to prolong this more because it will have major impacts to its third quarter results.
That last post about managers compensation losses has me real excited to become one. I will add a few more to the list, rebadging, offshoring, contracting, increased span of control, constant reorganization., etc.. I’ll save some for someone else to illuminate the, “you matter”, examples.
The West deal
https://cwad9.org/system/files/2024-08/att_final_report_0.pdf
if the folks are worried about losing two weeks of pay probably need financial training. what do you think will happen if they accept that cr-p health insurance offer? if something major happens to you, you will not be able to afford the deductibles.
It’s not always about the gains but also stopping the reductions or elimination of benefits, work rules, job security, etc.. ask any manger how their compensation package and the company policies have changed over the last few years for them. It all adds up to more than just a few weeks or even a few months of lost pay.
Managers have had reductions, eliminations and higher out of pocket cost for many benefits. Managers below the c-suite have two choices, stay and accept it or quit, it’s non negotiable for them. A few examples; loss of retiree medical, PTO, MR75, only 2 weeks off payroll after layoff (previously it was up 3 months), loss of pension for new hires, pension sold to insurance company Athene, drastic changes in healthcare sharing cost and out of pocket, forced zip code relocation to stay on payroll, RTO for those who started as WFH, low wage increases over various years, layoffs without any stay on the payroll options, etc…
The West deal gave record raises that we should get.
No we didn't. You're obviously a company bootlicker trying to sow discord.
Not an issue, still had an extra week of pay in August, I and a lot of others are enjoying the extra time off for home projects and summer vacation. Couple more weeks off would be nice, after working 26 years of forced OT, this is awesome! It will be over before we know it, enjoy it while you can because we will be back to the grind soon.
From a lot the CP managers post, they are enjoying the work and the OT 12hr/6days @ week. I think it is kind of them to fill in for us and give us a break, I say we stay out a while longer especially, if the company keeps bargaining in bad faith as was noted by the bargainers on the call.
Management employee here. I’ve heard a 5% raise for year one. That’s not nothing and more than I expect to get!!
Did you see the deductible in the last bargaining update? I totally understand how you feel but the faith should be lost in the billion dollar company that does not want to share ANYTHING! Stay strong!