Unconfirmed chatter at HQ: Heard that discussion of some US management positions may get eliminated for cheaper management positions in India.
If you think about it for every 1 US person who is let go, 7 Indian people can be hired.
So if 1 US Director is let go then 1 Indian Director can be hired with a department of workers.
This may be why some directors seem a little agitated lately. Maybe they heard this too and are worried?????
I saw in a recent lay-off where a do-nothing Sr manager lost his entire group. Rather than HE also get his walking papers, he was retained as an "individual contributor", reporting now to someone else at his former level - when in fact he contributes nothing! So you can see how the Big O protects higher-paid managers as they let go the underlings who actually performed meaningful and effective work.
Just some, not all? What are they waiting for?
That 7 Indians for 1 US worker claim is really misleading. Yes, If you fire a highly skilled and experienced person and replace them with a helpless person in their early 20s, then yes, you can replace your one US worker with 7 Indians. The problems isn't so much that we only higher in India for most teams (don't get me wrong, it IS a problem, just not our worst), but that we now only hire very inexperienced and low-skilled People (outside of BMC at least). The cost of living in India has risen so much the past two decades, that the pay difference for EQUALLY skilled / experienced people is only about 50% (if we make 150k, they make 100k). But we don't hire equally skilled people, we only hire children with almost no experience or skills. (Think Class Of, but for engineers.) I think this is a way to make it look like they are not liquidating the company on paper (in other words, the number of people does not change as much), but in fact they are totally cutting us off at the knees.
It would be interesting to see Oracle USA explaining to the Department of Labor all these intracompany transferees from India to the US while eliminating same position in the US for the past year. Many L-1 visas have been given to facilitate the transfer of Indian managers to continue employment in the US. Oracle needs to stop looking for cheap labor in India.
Time to flatten out some orgs.
I can think of a few Directors in the Burlington hardware sewing circle that need to be shown the door. So glad to be out of there...
Don't get me started about the director, way too many of them with less than a handful of directs because the VP they report to doesn't want to hurt their feelings. If the theee stooges actually had a clue what's going on at oracle they would have dealt with it long ago. That would actually be a cost saving that would increase the productivity of the organization. Oracle is worse that a government bureaucracy with all these little fiefdoms of incompetent directors lording over small groups, making everybody less productive
Everyone knows a couple of managers who , if gone, would not be noticed at all :-)
The three stooges are plain too sum to understand performance, just looking at unit cost. That's how you drive a company in the ground, which they are doing an exceeding good job of
Oracle has many directors with few and no direct report. Those positions should be eliminated but not necessary to reopen the positions in India.
One the one hand, given the high percentage of Indians in certain departments on the US side, I can see how someone would think that this would be a good decision. On the other hand, seeing the general poor performance of said departments, I can't understand how someone could possibly think that this would be a good idea.
As an Indian-American I find it very difficult to work with Indian PMs and VPs at Oracle. Most of the help I usually get is from non-Indian PMs or VPs. They are very technical, but not polished. Not all of them, but most of them.
Never seen a more disposable group of people than the oracle SVPs and VPs - 95% of them are zero value add, especially the ones that came from HP and many of the old timers. Why are they still there?
And bring in some cheap Indianas to show the remaining execs that there is no future for them at oracle, so get out and save LE having to pay severance. Loyalty gets you nothing at oracle
The senior people in the US are senior AND legacy on-prem/ HW/ DB. If LE wants cloud savvy execs and is replacing worker bees with google, Amazon, etc people he should do the same for management. That is the problem with mass purges like the one going on at oracle - where do you stop? Need to execute some generals as well, if for no other reason to create more fear!
Hahahaha
Brutus!
At the same time, we are transferring some upper management positions from India to the US!!! Someone has to answer for all these L1 Visas at Oracle. Specially when these positions can be easily filled by current US resources.