Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Why didn't WARN apply to the WWOPS RIF?

Anyone understand why the 150 lost in WWOPS didn't get WARN applied to them? The SPARC and Solaris people were RIFd on 9/1 are still in Aria. The WWOPS people got hit on 9/28 and are gone from the system.

Large numbers of both RIFs were in SCA.

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Post ID: @Py5N5B8

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"The WARN notice for Santa Clara lists the termination date as 10/31 for those notified on 9/1. Thus 9/28 is more than 30 days away from 10/31, and not covered."

Makes sense. I suppose that means no more RIFs in SCA until November. Just in time for Thanksgiving and Christmas.

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Post ID: @Py5N5B8-2dla

The WARN notice for Santa Clara lists the termination date as 10/31 for those notified on 9/1. Thus 9/28 is more than 30 days away from 10/31, and not covered.

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Post ID: @Py5N5B8-2qcn

To my understanding WARN is tied to physical Oracle work location/address/campus. If you are remote or home bound then there isn’t WARN for you (this has been confirmed with another person who was home bound and was impacted recently). So, if you are in one of the SCA campuses and if there are 50 or more impacted from that campus then it is subject to WARN notice.

There are CA EDD lows at play and nothing ME or Hardware or any other group can negotiate. I know for sure that Oracle management / HR tries it’s best to avoid WARN by limiting number of people impacted for a campus or spread it out to avoid meeting number of days constraints.

I am not in WWOP and so do not know whred they were all located in Bay Area but it’s possible the impacted employees were not bound to a office building / campus.

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Post ID: @Py5N5B8-1aae

maybe because they weren't all based in CA or a WARN state and more planned for the 20th according to midmanagers in WWOPS

Better question is when do they start cleaning house in support side? Support logistics is a joke and they can't stock hardware for the support customers.

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Post ID: @Py5N5B8-1ukh

Maybe is it possible that Hardware Management (ME, etc) was able to cut a deal with

Oracle management to get qualified for WARN somehow ?

But then that would be giving too much credit to the Hardware Management.

So when do those who got RIFed on 9/1/17 (from Hardware/ME, etc.) and were part of WARN (last day 10/31/17), get their paper-work to sign and get the balance of the severance ?

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Post ID: @Py5N5B8-1llf

I read through the hashtags but still do not have a clear answer for the original poster.

At least for SCA (in Cal), based on the quoted sentences from http://www.edd.ca.gov/jobs_and_training/Layoff_Services_WARN.htm below,

"Plant closure affecting any amount of employees. Layoff of 50 or more employees within a 30-day period regardless of % of workforce. Relocation of at least 100 miles affecting any amount of employees. [California Labor Code Section 1400 (d)-(f)]"

because the layoff on 9/1 and 9/28 are within a 30-day period, all the affected people (in SCA) on 9/28 should also get an equivalent notice (60 days notice) as those affected on 9/1. Are those affected on 9/28 actually get the minimum 60 day severance package + 2 months healthcare coverage (although they are not on Aria anymore)?

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Post ID: @Py5N5B8-gev

Try this #60dayrule

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Post ID: @Py5N5B8-huy

WWOPS's 2/15/2017 RIF also went under the radar screen, so to avoid the WARN requirement. Guess the # of head need to reach certain level to trigger WARN.

It's cost saving tactics bz with WARN WWOPs will have to pay two more months pay to each head being RIFed.

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