Thread regarding Union Pacific Corp. layoffs

Ethical Dilemma

Both Lance and Beth expressed in the September Town Hall that there were NOT plans to immediately and deeply cut workforce similar to what happened at CSX (listen to itfor quotes). In the August Town Hall, Lance stated there were no planned layoffs. How then, in a matter of less than 1 month AND prior to even fully implementing the new PSR plan were they able to “thoughtfully re-organize” work to make Tuesdays cuts. Fascinating? Not really. They lied.

Clearly, senior leadership is NOT held to the same standard to which it holds its employees. We fire folks for dishonesty or ethics violations all the time. MAPS defines dishonesty as “when an employee’s actions or statements constitute lying, cheating, theft or deception.” I also direct readers to the How Matters ethics policy. How is Lance not subject to the same rules?

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Post ID: @OP+VPfAsLg

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Is anyone at all surprised that they lied? It's what executives do, HELLO?! Corporate executives are just company politicians! THEY ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED!

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Post ID: @5ziz+VPfAsLg

Greed is a big reason our society is turning to Sheeeeat! It's a death spiral that will destroy many many lives. So, go ahead and condone it if you must. If we give in to selfish ways it will come back to burn us later.

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Post ID: @5kmf+VPfAsLg

These last few posts are right on. Greed? Sure, you bet. At the expense of workers? Yep. Put as many posts on here you want taking about UP greed all day. The only people who will care are the people running this site - they’ll be happy with the increase in the number of posts.

It’s harsh but that’s the way it goes.

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Post ID: @4mrj+VPfAsLg

I'm going to guess that post was from someone in corporate? A couple questions for you! You said ALL companies do this, right? Is the BNSF doing it? NO!!! Is McDonald's doing this? NO!!! You did say ALL companies! You said that the company is here to serve the customer, right? Do the executive's run those trains? NO!!! Do the executive's switch out the cars? NO!!! It's not about capitalism, bonehead! It's purely about greed! You said that if you dont like your job then quit, right? I would like to know who quit! The last time I checked, they were fired! People have every right to be a little bit upset when they were let go after 20+ years! I thought it was pretty comical you mentioned PTC being more reliable! What do we do until then! When the trains slow down or stop due to PTC failures, then what? Fritz said this plan is help eliminate the congestion issues! Go ahead and think about that one for a minute! You also said that the caboose were non-essential! Then what was their purpose in the first place? I'm also going to guess that you're not very well-educated in business! Employees is what makes a business run! Do you know the definition of greed? If you reread your post, it's in there! Hey there's a better idea! Please reread your post! Your spelling is pretty bad! For example, what's a hoeany? I think you meant to say "sad", instead of said! Would have can be shortened to would've! Railroads is spelled "railroads", and not raroads! You also missed quite a few apostrophes too! Just a little something for you! Thank you for being such a thoughtful person with your comment!

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Post ID: @3gog+VPfAsLg

I find it said that so many people on here keep saying that PSR didn't work at other raroads because people lost their jobs. Who gives a flying f---. Companies are not here to serve the employees, but to serve a product to the customer and make as much money as possible. F--- your feelings that you think the company is greedy, that is their right! This is capitalism. This is America! If you don't like how the company is ran, you can quit! It's a free market. If PSR didn't work at other railroads, then the market wouldn't be demanding UP to implament it. I'm tired of seeing everyone call for someone's head because a lot of good people will lose their jobs. Yeah, it s---s, but everyone will move on. All companies have done this, and will continue to do so. Innovation changes how we do things and hoeany people you need to do them. The same people complaining here probably would have complained when we stopped using a caboose on our trains. It's non essential. Wait another 10-15 years when PTC is more reliable and we start to see some lines with out crews. You'll all be up in arms then too you, but guess what, it's for the best!

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Post ID: @3krn+VPfAsLg

Lies, lies, and more lies! What ethics? Name one person within the corporate UP kingdom that's actually ethical! Go ahead, I'll wait!

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Post ID: @1xws+VPfAsLg

Does anyone remember Fritz saying he wanted be transparent? I remember him saying that quite a few times! The only thing transparent are the windows at the glass palace! The UP is a joke! "We're not going to be implementing precision scheduled railroading", and he comes out with Unified Plan 2020! "There are no planned layoffs", and yet 700 people were let go! I can post a lot more quotes he made that were complete BS! If he makes a statement about what they're not going to do, then you better expect it to happen! The corporate lies have been flowing out of the glass palace at an immeasurable pace! The lack of transparency within the company is what's going to bring Fritz down!

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Post ID: @1jmn+VPfAsLg

It sounds like someone is unaware of the UP's actual revenue is! It also sounds like the post came from a manager or an executive! 2 billion in profit isn't bad at all! Cut costs to make more? That's a text book definition of greed! There's no point in accelerating after you've won the race! The UP is doing just that except they haven't crossed the finish line yet! Some people want to believe the UP is doing what's right, by s---er punching it's workers! Do these people give a damn about the workers? Probably not! If you're announcing record profits, then leave it the way it is! If you cut costs to make more profit, then you're just greedy! Fritz is only going to be able to do so much before someone blows a whistle and calls a foul! You might want to keep that in mind!

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Post ID: @1hlv+VPfAsLg

Lance Fritz you sit on a throne of lies!! A man reaps what he sows.

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Post ID: @1ajd+VPfAsLg

1 $300,000.00 Bonus to 1 and layoffs and fear for everyone else. This is corporate greed at its finest.

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Post ID: @1jnm+VPfAsLg

6 billion in revenue, but only 2 billion in profit! Okay that post was pointless, due to the fact that Fritz posted about RECORD PROFITS!!! If he announced that, then what's the purpose of the cuts? I'm confused! I dont think you get it! This is about greed! The announcement said nothing about record revenues! It had everything to do with maximizing PROFITS! This plan DID fail at other railroads! You should probably actually research it and understand it better! This plan is very well known to kill jobs, and not create or keep them! I know QUITE a few people who worked for the other 3 when this plan was implemented! This plan only serves the shareholders and the executives! The plan DOES NOT in any way benefit the employee! I would like to add that your post seems to reflect on a first person basis, or someone directly involved with PSR! If this is Lance himself, then welcome to the board! There's a lot of good reading in here for you! Enjoy!

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Post ID: @1ibk+VPfAsLg

"...and it hasn't failed at other railroads, it just hurt for a little bit."

AND MANY OF THOSE FINE PEOPLE THAT WERE AFFECTED ARE STILL HURTING!!! THIS CONDUCT DESTROYS LIVES! DON'T YOU FRIGGIN GET IT?

GREED!!!!

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Post ID: @1hac+VPfAsLg

I keep seeing people reference our competitors and how it was a disaster for them because they have less revenue. When will you get it, it's not about revenue, but profits. If we have 6 billion in revenue, but only profit 2 billion, that's not bad, but it's even better if we can cut costs, have 6 billion in revenue, and have 2 billion in profits. It's the same outcome, how ever your more efficient. Then you will.eventually build revenue again. The other funny thing, many of these customers don't have anywhere to go now that aren't already pushing PSR, so they're options are limited to travel by rail, and the trucking industry is so short staffed, we're still.the best option. Even if you hate this, it was only a matter of time, and it hasn't failed at other railroads, it just hurt for a little bit.

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Post ID: @1tsc+VPfAsLg

Is anyone really surprised that they lied? I'm not! I was with the company a long time! When he took over, I just never trusted him! Mainly due to the fact that he wasn't Mr. Young! It's really quite amazing how fast this company changed and not a good one! Those townhall meetings are a friggin joke! If you cant see the tightness between those id--ts, then you need to open your damn eyes! Everyone's lips are pressed against Lance's asscheeks so hard that it would take elective surgery to have them removed! Seriously, people you need to open your eyes a little more! Stop holding onto every word they say! Fritz will tell you exactly what you want to hear, and that's it! Once you turn around, then that's when they'll knife you! HE IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED! Fortunately others in the corporate ranks are starting to actually see it too! The sh-- hasn't hit the fan yet, but it has been plugged in and turned on high!

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Post ID: @1nbs+VPfAsLg

Well when this all blows up(and itwill!), I'm sure Fritz will get online and say he made another mistake to please investors! The only problem is that the damage is already done! I'm absolutely positive the business analysts are chewing at it right now! He blatantly LIED to his employees! He gets away with ethical violations, because he's the CEO! If the labor board, or ethics committee won't step in and do something, then the fight was already lost before it started! Fritz is a liar, period! Fritz wants to model the PSR to supposedly make the business more profitable and competitive! Okay that's understandable! If that's the goal, then why did he post about record profits! He needs to model the company after the BNSF, who is actually number #1 right now! No instead he's going to model the company after a plan that failed miserably after implementation! The CSX, CN, and the CP are operating with a smaller revenue! The corporate executive's are looking for the big win! This is a gamble, and nothing more! When you gamble, you look at the projected profits! Most people don't look at the possibility of losing! When the cuts take place, he's losing already! You rid the company of assets, you no longer have those cards available! When it comes time to call, you better hope the bluff is strong! Everyone needs to be patient! This is going to blow up! Just wait and see!

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Post ID: @aay+VPfAsLg

You are absolutely correct. Leadership at UP is not held to the same standards as everyone else and they had to know about employee cuts long before October. They also kept it under the WARN limit so they wouldn't have to tell anything about it beforehand which is also pretty c-appy of them. I know someone else still there in management who isn't held to the same standards as everyone else also. This person is very quick to point out someone else's faults or blame them for doing something they never did then write them up and deny what they themselves have said or done, blaming it on the other person - they get away with lying, dishonesty and ethics violations while never owning up to doing wrong themselves. They actually enjoy it when they can purposefully damage someone they supervise. I've seen it happen and have been one of the victims. It's awful. Nothing is ever said or done.

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Post ID: @buw+VPfAsLg

Great way to put it. This post is accurate, many in December were let go for less than this... Total and absolute lying from Senior Leadership. But hey all smiles at HQ's 19th floor right.

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