Thread regarding General Motors layoffs

People are starting to figure out what some have known for decades. Don't buy their products.

Want to work for them? Great. Fair pay for a mercenarys work, but anything over and above is not required. Always walk in the door with the expectation that any given day may be your last.

Marry Barra needs to go , i saw a few useless scum bag GM managers get let go , all the useless people I worked with all of a sudden started to disappear ,hmmm. They either got scared and retired or fired. Marry Barra how long does she stay in the ren-cen as CEO ? GPS was a wonderful place to work , car shows in the summer , bring your kids to work day , local vendors would come in for new product and suppliers. She is and her assistant financial advisor have ruined the company , reduce both of their pay checks and fire them , GM's imagine is f---ng ruined and they have p-ss-d off and alienated our customers , GM is for communism and owned and operated by communist China period. They don't want Americans business so in turn they don't get mine , I will never buy a GM vehicle ever again. Our government knows full and well what this corporation is all about and that is COMMUNIST LOVE FOR CHINA !

Is Pontiac GPS closing ? 3000 people moving to Warren , were?

Sounds like your problem isn't with the senior technical people but with the managers. I agree they need to clean house with the incompetent managers.

Managers constantly block career moves at GM. My manager told me I hypothetically have to bl-w people to get ahead,

Yeah ok.. let me just stick my head up everyone’s a-- so I can go up a level. Fu—ing joke.

All the frat house / boys club people need to go.. and unfortunately for the OP that does mean the seniors.

I worked with a guy that would take 3 hour lunches , go to junk yards for half the day , sleep in his truck , sleep inside our work area , take three day weekends constantly , as soon as the new year started he would burn all his vacation and I'd be alone to work , the guys was never at work and I lost my job December 1st via a phone call from my contract house ! Are you f---ng kidding me!!! I'm 40 and this guy in his 60s , I applied for his job to get hired direct this passed July 2018 , my " Sr Manager " blocked me and the guy I worked with retired , I lost my job and was replaced by a kid that had zero experience in my department , AND I GET LAID OFF ! I was told by a manager that if my manager would have hired me direct in July I would have probably been ok , Thanks alot Pontiac Global propulsion Systems ! Now I face loosing my house and everything I have worked hard for all these years , I'm a single parent and in school ! GM investment into Pontiac GPS was $44 million in 2013 , are they "really closing" the facility? Does anyone out there in Pontiac know what's going on YET ? It's almost February Jesus . I loved my job and the people , my Sr Manager said it had absolutely nothing to do with my performance and all of that , his hands we're tied he said because of contract cuts , I almost have believe him.

They laid off 10% last year. Do you really think 10% of the non-management employees were dead weight? They laid those people off last year for the same reason they're laying off 15% this year. Total corporate mismanagement and financial problems.

agreed, do you really think 1 out of every 4/5 people have performance issues?

"If they did have performance issues or bad peer reviews why would the age argument be valid?"

There are not 15-25% of employees that have documented performance issues.

@XgcCAtM-1wht not if you didn't qualify for the VSP, which is basically all GMIT

Age-independent dead weight was already given the mark of the beast last year.

i dont think "Most new hires had favorable mid year reviews" is enough to feel secure at this point...

I think they'll lie about bad performance of old people to get rid of them. Won't really be true

OP has a somewhat valid point. Say all 3 performer are okay meet expectation, but are not top performer. They are not needed and GM will play the age number game to avoid a lawsuit, but again this is just my guess

If they did have performance issues or bad peer reviews why would the age arguement be valid?

"Gee, how strange that everyone over 40 has a performance problem, and that's why they were laid off!"

I think new hires have the least amount to worry. CAP for the year doesn’t get finalized till the end of the month so it isn’t completely performance based. And if it is it is geared toward those that have been at GM long enough to have their reviews. Most new hires had favorable mid year reviews and if they didn’t that’s all on them.

I guarantee the layoffs are looking to break the Old GM culture, that means getting rid of the older people.

My egm has been here for 20 some odd years, close to retirement. Disappears for hours at a time during the day. It’s so obvious he’s not doing anything. Do yothe guys not get notifications to do reviews for your egm? these are the people that will be gone.

@XgcCAtM-1eah your attorney would be able to get the list. GM is a publicly traded company.

"Also, an employment policy or practice that applies to all employees and appears neutral on its face, regardless of age, can be illegal if it has a negative impact on applicants or employees aged 40 or older and is not based on a reasonable factor other than age."

Salary/performance/position elimination is a reasonable factor other than age.

well if everyone signs on the spot they cant sue, but the severance is minimal pay (50% pay for 2 weeka for every year) so i doubt that happens

Wouldn’t letting go two 30 year olds for every 50 year old literally be the definition of age discrimination. . What the f—- are you smoking.

GM isn’t going to let any age discrimination loophole happen.

Obviously they want to get rid of the older crowd based on the voluntary layoffs, but it will never be mentioned as the basis for their actions.

They’re taking their time with the next round so they don’t get sued. And I guarantee it won’t be what the OP said. They will find any excuse to let people go. Example.. been taking two hour lunches have you, bye bye. Oh you let someone tailgate, bye bye. Been napping in your car past lunch, see ya! Parked a non-GM vehicle in the GM only lot, bye Felicia!

Plenty of excuses out there to avoid being sued, sign the papers and move on.

Good point. So if I get laid off and they give me a list of the ages of the other people laid off, I can't tell if I've been discriminated against unless I also get a list of the ages of all the employees at my site, so I can see if it's proportionate.

well said @XgcCAtM-1ybp ....i believe you are correct as they should be proportionate

honestly who really knows at this point what they will do

The layoffs are more tenure based than age. Most of IT hasn't been around long enough for the VSP to be available to them.

I would think to stay out of hot water it won't be about averages (one 55 year old and two 30 year olds), but about proportionality.

If 10% of the staff is over 40, then 10% of those laid off should be over 40.

If 90% of the staff is under 40, then 90% of those laid off should be under 40.

At least in Austin, the hiring has been disproportionately people in their 20s. The layoffs should be as well, to be nondiscriminatory.

Not aged based if it's cost cutting. Later, gramps!

the funny part is that lawsuit would just be a drop in the bucket for them even if they lost, but still i doubt they take the risk of a lawsuit

no you are all the delusional ones if you believe GM will open itself to a class action lawsuit. That is every attorneys dream right now. The lists average age will 100% be below 40 or they will open themselves for a lawsuit and the GM legal team would never let that fly

A business may not discriminate with respect to age during any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff or any other term or condition of employment. Also, an employment policy or practice that applies to all employees and appears neutral on its face, regardless of age, can be illegal if it has a negative impact on applicants or employees aged 40 or older and is not based on a reasonable factor other than age.

The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA; 29 U.S.C. § 621 to 29 U.S.C. § 634) is a US labor law that forbids employment discrimination against anyone at least 40 years of age in the United States (see 29 U.S.C. § 631).

GM is not dumb enough to make the average age above 40, this would open a huge class action lawsuit

Whatever makes you sleep better..

Sure, if it makes you feel better XD

You're delusional